How can a guitar produced on a CNC machine be considered "Historic"?

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  1. lemonpaul59

    lemonpaul59 Member

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    Hello all,

    Apparently, on "True" "Historics", Gibson runs the LP top through the CNC machine again ("double cut"). Apparently they do this so they don't have to pass it through a belt sander, like the "Standard" "Historic". Doing it this way preserves the arch better, so I've read.


    I'm willing to bet that Gibson did not have CNC machines in 1959, and certainly couldn't be double cutting the archtops of Les Pauls. They used a belt sander.

    I've got a couple of Historic LPs, they're fantastic guitars. I don't feel a need to buy a "True" one though. Belt sanding is fine with me;)
     
  2. Bluplirst

    Bluplirst Supporting Member

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    So you're saying Gibson doesn't build guitars like they used to?o_O
     
  3. Chris Pile

    Chris Pile Member

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    Jeez, man - all the troubles in the world, and you gotta whine about this one? PUHLEEZE.
     
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  5. stevieboy

    stevieboy Clouds yell at me Gold Supporting Member

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    They're part of the new True Semantics line up.
     
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    the "issue" is that the current carve for production is not similar to the 50ties and with a beltsander alone you cannot create the recurve the originals had. the "true historic" copies the carve from some of the originals and for that process a CNC is perfect.
    (but yes they are slighlty overpriced ;) , just got my a Players choice from Session.de and they are much more reasonable priced for the same guitar)
     
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    Che_Guitarra Member

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    How can a guitar produced on a CNC machine be considered historic? I don't know. How can a guitar made five minutes ago be considered historic?
     
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    in the 50's gibson used a pin router to carve the tops of the guitars, a wheel would roll over the top of a dummy top and the router would follow the contour of the dummy for the top being carved.

    CNC is just a modern version of doing the same job, far quicker.
     
  9. sws1

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    AND, Gibson Custom still does that exact thing...just not for the LPs. I saw it in person a few weeks ago. Might have been for the L5s, or some of the other guitars. LPs use CNC machines for efficiency.

    This is a manufactured complaint.
     
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    But is the complaint manufactured the same way complaints were made in the '50s?
     
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    I don't care if it's made on a 3D printer, as long as it sounds good.
     
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    I have discussions with people on truly hand carved vs CNC all the time. I have built guitars both ways and let me tell you, the CNC is the best way to replicate something consistently, hands down. What it really comes down to for some people is whether the "story" of the build is something you are buying as well as the final product.
     
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    If Gibson can't make a historic issue good enough for you, then you can double your investment and get a makeover.
    Wives always approve makeovers.
     
  15. gmann

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    Not Historic but Historically correct. The CNC machines keep them consistent fm one to the next. People bitch about prices now, if all the hand work that was done in '50's/'60's was being done now the cost would be much greater and they would be turning out great guitars along with below avg. guitars which happened more often than you think. Leo Fender would've given his left nut for a CNC machine. (I think)
     
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    Shhh - don't tell anyone - it's all marketing
     
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    usually someone will come along and quip "doesn't matter, they're still making money"

    but with all the financial shenanigans Gibson is into these days, that's not quite the case
     
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    Gibson instruments were factory produced in the 50s-60s as well. They weren't artisan builds, it's just that the maufacturing process was different then.
    McCarthy would have used CNCs if he's had them in 58.
     
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  20. f550maranello2

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    Nothing wrong with CNC machines.. Cars in 1959 had carburetors does that make them better?
    Nobody in their right mind (unless its a small shop or in asia) would do this by hand anymore. First because there are no more skilled people that work in factories , and second nobody would want to pay them to learn how. Machine tools have been around since the late 60's. Working with wood or being a machinist used to be a highly skilled job. Now its a job anyone with a heart beat can learn..
     
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