Discussion in 'The Sound Hound Lounge' started by LP Freak, Apr 14, 2019.
Declining testosterone levels in the Male of the species is the real culprit.
I blame the musicians, engineers and producers who sit at the computers.
Rock music was gone before computers entered the equation. What killed rock music was the music industry forsaking talented artists in favor of bands that fit the contrived stereotype of "rock" and preferring hair bands, metal, grunge, and punk.
The industry moved away from innovation and musical skill and toward easy to sell parodies. And some previous rock bands bought into it. Look at ZZ Top, they went from being a rock band that was about great musicianship and creativity to a band that was about an absurd image of guitars . chicks, and beards.
And of course that led to silly things like "rawk" and the devil horn thing, and guys thinking that to be in a band they had to have an insane amount of tramp stamps and a face that looks like they fell into a tackle box. And of course during the late 70s and into the 80s the strangely androgynous hair band hairdos that made men look effeminate and wearing leotards, and of course bands like Kiss, who were the Archies of the 70s and once again, a parody act with their comic books and Kiss barbie dolls.
What happened to rock was it fell prey to Madison Avenue.
Computers didn't destroy rock, they destroyed everything that took its' place.
The reality is there are some great bands out there with a rock attitude, but most people will never hear of them, or if they do they will think the bands are not "cool" because they don't fit the madison avenue stereotypes.
“Well, the airplane’s done it!”
“It wasn’t the airplane who killed the beast, it was beauty that killed the beast.”
Nothing can “ruin rock music”. The same instruments exist today that existed when rock was at its peak popularity. Musicians are free to create whatever type if music they choose.
Listeners simply have more choices now and enjoy other forms of music more than rock.
Sometimes Beato spews BS out of his mouth. This is one of those times.
Its a good video but RB should listen to Ministry's Psalm 69. Sure seems like it kicks ass to me (and don't get all excited PW guys, that ain't CCM)
All that happened - IMO, of course - is some bright spark found a winning formula and flogged it to death, same as any other genre. Rock became a victim of its own success.
The good news is, as Scanloni and Rockledge noted, there are still many great bands and musicians out there. Same with just about any genre, you only have to dig a bit deeper.
Yeah, the advent of digital perfection has made listening to modern music a chore, much of the time. I much prefer a warts-and-all approach.
It isn't in the instruments and tools, it is in the mindset. And mindsets toward music are generational. The rock generation is either geriatric or dead now. Some younger artists such as Chris Robinson and Steve Wilson get the rock mindset and do it well. But they are far and few between.
Young people deserve to be proud of their own musical mindset and the culture that goes with it, and shouldn't be saddled with trying to live up to some "rock" ideology.
Honestly, there weren't a lot of warts in the music during the rock era. Rock musicians tended to be perfectionists, and more importantly rock era producers were perfectionists. Guys like George Martin, Bill Mxypstlk, Glynn Johns, and Bob Ezrin aimed for perfection. And got it.
I hear a lot of modern music that can get a very analog era sound out of computers doing rock era music. That Greta Van Fleet album sounds like it could have been recorded in 1975.
When artists don't resort to compression poisoning they can get some great sounds out of digital gear. But doing that isn't very vogue now.
The technology is fine. The problem is that those using it have gotten lazy and abuse it for the purpose of taking the short cut instead of taking the scenic route.
Tools and equipment are never to blame. It’s the users of that equipment that’s to blame.
Exactly. Rock isn’t and never will be dead. People just don’t enjoy it as much as they used to. People play snd listen to what they like.
Rock music WAS gone before computers entered the equation but the major labels NEVER favored punk. Rock music was well on its way to going corporate long before computers and as told in the movie Almost Famous.
The hyper commercialization of rock was fueled by MTV when the major labels figured out how to use this new medium. Being major labels they were slow to catch on.
Originally, MTV played videos of lesser known and up and coming artists. The Go Go's were one of the original west coast punkers who just happened to break at the same time that MTV launched. Go Go's popularity was greatly enhanced by their frequent rotation on MTV. They were so successful, the major labels and Rolling Stone magazine repackage all these new and young bands as "New Wave" which was more palatable to their arthritic sensibilities.
Many established rock acts originally vowed never to participate with MTV format but changed course and jumped on the band wagon. ZZ Top had a make over - long beards and all, and made a spectacular comeback.
Fast forward to the 1990's and Congress passing The Telecommunications Act which deregulated the ownership of Radio Broadcasters. This allowed big corporations to own and operate multiple radio stations in the market - outright monopolies in many markets.
Major corporate interests like Clear Channel / iheartMedia bought out many radio stations across the US and took control away from local radio programmers of what was played in slews local markets.
The effect of this take-over was that from now on, some anonymous corporate douche bag in NY would decide what would get played on your local radio. What they chose was bland music from yesteryear. What we got was Corporate Rock or what is now referred to as Classic Rock.
Forget about any new and innovative band getting signed to a major label. Major labels reissued their back catalogues of their signed artists and only signed new bands that they thought would FIT THE CORPORATE MOLD of their new corporate overlords.
The only thing stopping someone from making a great record today is their ideas and abilities. The technology is an enabler.
Now, if your ideas are bad and your abilities are so-so, trouble can ensue. Because: technology is an enabler.
technology is never the culprit, it's the people using the technology that are responsible
you can't "ruin" a genre
you can't "kill" a genre (grunge "killing" rock,lol, people were looking for something different and "grunge" came along and was made the villain)
the rise and fall of any genre is normal
big band jazz use to be hot, what happened? it was good music played by good musicians, what happened? for whatever reason the public's taste changed with the times
When rock decided dancers didn't matter but cartoon circus shows played at ear-slaughtering volume by the minds of five-year-olds did---and the chauvinism of reproducing records note-for-note, sound-for-sound during live performances---that's when rock stopped mattering. (And, no, headbanging is not dancing.)
Just as happened to jazz when the musicians became more concerned with experiments and intellectualism than with the groove and the soul.
No matter what genre, Ellington's Law prevails: it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.
You guys must not remember Elvis, The King of Rock, or The Beatles, both of which existed long before MTV and both were molded to fit an image, hyper-marketed to teenagers and slave-driven by record executives and their respective handlers. Hell, even the Blues, which gave birth to Rock, has been highly commercialized since at the least the 1960's....and yes, I'm very much talking about the English bands we all love.
One could easily argue that music hasn't been worth a **** in the last 50 years; Rock and Roll was stillborn and has always been dead...if we are talking about it in the context of record labels and commercialization. If it wasn't commercialized to some degree, you and I wouldn't know about it.
Granted, I'll give you that it actually took some talent to play instruments back then, which is probably why you have more people familiar today with Fruity Loops sequencing than guitar leads. Also, technology has definitely made the barrier to entry much, much lower...which results in a lot more noise to sift through to find some gems.
Bands/Music are packaged differently and some of them are completely self-packaged now, but human nature hasn't changed in the last half century, nor will it change much in the next 50 years.