I assume this question is posted to the right section (I'm a new user)...if not, I apologize! I tried to search for this, as I figure it's a common problem for people starting out, but came up empty. Looking for some advice on stage setup & stage sound. We're a new band, in the past just been basement players, but are now starting to play out. 5 piece band, with lead + rhythm guitars, bass, drums, and lead vocalist. Had 2 gigs so far, the second of which we really struggled with hearing what we wanted on stage. I'll describe what worked for us the first time, and what didn't the second time, and hoping you folks can chime in with what works for you. None of us are particularly experienced with proper sound, so any advice helps. First of all, the gear: both guitars are using quality tube head + 1x12 cabs in the 15-20W range, and both typically have a tele & LP each. My bass rig is a 300W amp (LittleMark II @ 8ohm) through a 2x10 cab, with a fairly high output G&L L2k. We mic the cabs & drums, and DI the bass for the sound guy to use at will. Admittedly, we prefer to play a little on the loud side, but nothing ridiculous. Rhythm guitar and drummer also sing, so that's 3 necessary monitors, while myself (bass) and lead guitar don't sing so typically try and share one. We primarily play guitar-heavy rock, from Pink Floyd to the Black Keys. Gig 1 (good): Small bar venue, pretty cramped stage. We pretty much had all the amps pointing in towards the stage (more from the corners than side fill) and relied more on the mics for FoH. This is typically how we set up for practice too, without FoH of course. Bar only had 3 monitors with 2 mixes to give us, but 2 of us don't sing and the stage was small enough that we could hear enough vocal through the lead vocals monitor. Sound guy worked for the bar, and though was frustrated with the quality of the system he knew how to control it well enough. Gig 2 (not good): Bigger venue, large stage. We had the amps along the back wall of the stage (1 guitar to drummer's right, 1 + bass to drummer's left) facing out to the crowd. 4 monitors this time, but they were terrible. In the sound guy's defence, we had only hired him for that night and he was not familiar with the house gear at all. We had to keep amp volume lower than we usually play - my LM2 was between 9 & 10 o'clock (3-4/10), and I was told by sound guy that I was "overpowering" the rest of the band, so I had to turn down to where I could barely hear myself. We struggled to hear each other and our playing suffered as a result. It was as though the monitors weren't "good enough" to be able to handle too much vocal + instrument coming through them; the sound coming out was either lacking clarity or started to feedback if pushed. FoH sound was good, though, from what we were told. Obviously, the next time we play we'll set up more like Gig 1, unless there are better ideas. We're now talking about what it would take to control our own monitor mix from the stage. IEMs are simply not in the budget, and though they're good in theory, I don't know if I'm completely sold and it's not really something that's easy to try before you buy anyway. Looking at the Rolls PM-351 as a cheaper alternative, but I'm not particularly fussy about being tethered to it, both functionally and aesthetically. They may work feeding into a powered monitor, but unless we have our own monitors we can't guarantee that the venue can support it. With the price of decent powered monitors, it'd be just as well to go IEM (unless we rent, which is feasible). At this point, we just don't know what road to take. So...what do you do? How would you set up both a cramped and larger stage? Do you control your own monitor mix, and if so what's your setup? Thanks in advance for the advice!