How good are you at judging delay time without tap tempo?

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  1. Ruiner

    Ruiner Member

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    I'm finding i'm not very good at dialing in the matching tempo particularly on longer delay settings without a tap tempo. For short delay / slapback, it's fairly easy to get what you want quickly. For longer delay times i can spend minutes trying to dial it in exactly to whatever tempo is being played.

    Any tips? Suggestions? Easy ways to do it?

    Some of my favorite delays don't offer tap tempo or tap inputs and for my style of playing i lean towards long delay settings. Does it just take practice? Are there commonalities in settings that make it more intuitive? Can you judge by time where milliseconds are known?
     
  2. MilwMark

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    Making music, like every other area of life, is a bundle of compromises. If your genre and band relies on tap tempo, then why not get a tap tempo delay you like well-enough, and not worry about small tonal differences?
     
  3. la noise

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    I almost never use tap anymore, Ruiner. My favourite
    delays don't have tap-tempo (apart from the E2D).

    The cool thing is that if the repeats are not too prominent
    anything in the 300 to 500ms range is going to sound
    pretty darn good no matter the tempo of the song. The
    difference being whether those repeats register as whole notes,
    half notes, triplets, or quarter notes (among others) in relation
    to the tempo of the song.

    Using a DMM, Echorec, or AD999.... or even the E2D without tap...
    I don't find EXACTNESS to be all that necessary. Sometimes off ends
    up being on, if you know what I mean. :)
     
  4. Ruiner

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    Oh i agree with that and i have several tap tempo delays. Delay is my thing when it comes to pedals and i have about 10 so i find myself using the tap tempo ones more often in these situations and the others when recording which is completely fine. Just curious if anyone had tips or if it's just something you get used to and better at with time.
     
  5. Ruiner

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    Yeah totally. I think it's just some pedals more than others. With my Echosex 2 it can be on almost any time and sit nicely in the mix. I love that pedal. I'm finding the prominence of the delays in the Echoczar to be a little more challenging on certain settings. A good problem to have because this pedal can do so much but i find myself wishing it had a tap input so i could just sync everything to my Time Traveler

    [​IMG]

    1st world problems and such. :aok
     
  6. screwyloot

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    spot on. a good song is a living, breathing entity; and need to be treated as such. leave the perfectly quantized crap to the EDM button pushers.
     
  7. la noise

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    The thing with tap tempo is that you can get drift
    even when using them, unless you have sort of
    MIDI SYNC capacity. For me, the thing is not to
    try to be exact... and to explore experiment with
    different "time/delay" settings.

    That should not be too hard either---since most ambient/post-rock
    players tend to only play songs in the 60 to 80 beats per minute range. ;)
     
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    What la noise says.
     
  9. Ruiner

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    Hey now, i'm normally at 120... but playing half time. :D

    Yeah, i think over the weekend i was trying to hard to get exact because i was stacking two delays at different times but you're absolutely right. When i wasn't liking the results after spending way too much time doing that, i just fiddled with the settings, went by ear and had some cool interactions going on by just fiddling with 'em.
     
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    When I want the delay time to hit a certain ratio - for example, dotted eighth or triplet quarter (2 of my most commonly used) - I just hit a note (or just percussively hit the strings) with the feedback set high, but just below oscillation (so I don't have to keep hitting the strings) then just dial the delay time to that division, usually while tapping my foot at the tempo for that song.
     
  11. PurpleJesus

    PurpleJesus Gold Supporting Member Silver Supporting Member

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    This.
     
  12. saladin

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    I've been using a DD-3 since the late 80's. No need for tap tempo, I know right where to set it.
     

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