Or was it the other way around? I was just watching the Kiss 'lost concert' footage on dvd from their 1976 concert. The qualities not great but I was quite interested in Ace Frehley's guitar solo. This is 2 years before VH hit the mainstream scene but I know Kiss had some early involvement with VH (like the zero tapes). In the solo Ace does a whole bunch of stuff that sounds like Eddie, in particular: - sliding the bottom strings right up the fretboard for that booming electrifying sound - messing around with the echoplex delay unit's knobs to create sci-fi like sounds. - downstroke descending chromatic scales and pinch harmonics This isn't the video I was watching but is similar enough: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPywOAOTMI Who copied who?