How much of a difference do new tuners make on a Les Paul?

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  1. jimmyohio75

    jimmyohio75 Member

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    I just bought a Gibson LP Studio 60's Satin.........Like this:
    Thye guy at GC told me that I should invest in better tuners. He suggested some Gibson (Grovers) chrome tuners. Will these be noticeably better than what came on thwe guitar?
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  2. magicaxeman

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    I've never had a problem with Klusons, the problem was always that Gibson don't do such a good job on the nut..

    If you have tuning issues especially on the G string, take it to a tech and get them to sort out the nut and set it up.. should solve the problem
     
  3. Totally Bored

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    Those darn Guitar Center guys know everything :dunno

    Those tuners are fine. Grovers look cooler but not necessary IMO.
     
  4. GCDEF

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    Different tuners won't make any difference at all. GC employee is wrong.
     
  5. jimmyohio75

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    This was my first thought when he brought it up.....
     
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    I've had good results with Grovers on a Les Paul, but I had Klusons on a Custom that were fine.
    For sure I'd wait until it's a problem. And I'd get the nut checked as a first step - if you are having issues.
     
  7. jimmyohio75

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    Yeah, I just got this thing today....No issues yet....Hoping it's never an issue. This guy made it seem as if the stock tuners are notoriously bad and I would be crazy if I didn't change them out...
     
  8. Shovelhead

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    Those are the same tuners that come on 5000.00+ Historics. They work just fine.

    If anything, you might make sure the nut is cut for the gauge of strings you plan to use, and then use some form of lubricant on the nut when you change strings. Most tuning issues are caused by the string binding in the nut slot rather than the tuner itself.

    I also use the "lock the string onto itself" method when changing strings. It cuts down on the number of windings around the post, and helps with tuning stability.

    Nice guitar!
     
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    The guy at GC doesnt have a clue what hes talking about. I have Grovers on all my Gibsons and no problems . The Klusons are fine too. Like the OP mentioned, they are on Historics. The nut slots are the Achilles heal of Gibsons. I have bought 3 last year and the B and G strings all hung up on them. The luthier widened them and no problems.
     
  10. Adam Zaiger

    Adam Zaiger Gold Supporting Member

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    95% of the time the issue is w/the nut, not the tuners....
     
  11. jimmyohio75

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    I'm going to have my local tech set this guitar up next week. I am going to have him check the nut and ensure that it was cut perfectly. I'm not spending $100 on new tuners.
     
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    I'm going against the grain and siding with the GC guy. I hate the stock Gibson tuners. I've replaced them on both my Gibsons. Yeah the Klusons function fine, but they are uncomfortable and aren't as smooth as Grovers, but that is just my opinion.
     
  13. sacakl

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    Every one I've owned needed to have the nut worked on, even on lighter gauge strings, especially with the G string going sharp. After that, they all stayed in tune fairly well.

    Never thought I'd write something with nut and G-string in the same sentence :rimshot
     
  14. fuzzyguitars

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    not needed

    will be a nut issue more than a tuner one

    one way to test is to use a little nut lube to see if that improves tuning stability.
     
  15. dspellman

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    No. Tuning problems are rarely if ever the fault of the tuners. On a Gibson the problem (if there is one) is almost always traceable to the nut.
     
  16. Tim Plains

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    You guys are all wrong and the GC guy is right.
    How else is he going to sell Grovers to everyone?
     
  17. brianr0131

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    Like everyone else said....it's the nut if there are tuning problems.

    With that said, I replace the tuners on my Les Pauls though. I do it mainly for convenience when changing strings, but also the higher tuning ratio and smooth turning is great too. Plus, I sell the stock ones for about 70% of the cost of these:


    http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Waves-...2NC2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1330732537&sr=8-5

    Here's how they look on my junior (they'd look badass on your new black Studio):

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    Definitely. I agree with most here....the GC guy is a fool. If there are tuning issues it's nearly always the nut anyway. Actual issues with tuners are very rare, and Klusons are fine. Light weight as well.
     
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    The correct answer to your question of . . . . "how much of a difference do new tuners make on a Les Paul" . . . . is . . . . . about $100. Don't get ripped off!!!! You almost certainly do not need them.
     
  20. Tommy Biggs

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    Sweet! Enjoy it in good health! is it your first LP?
     

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