How much PA do I need for practice?

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  1. Promit

    Promit Member

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    I need a single self contained active PA box that can get vocals and keyboard over:
    * A rock drumset playing fairly aggressively
    * A guitar tube amp running ~20 W (either a 20W turned up or a 50W turned down)
    * A bass amp keeping pace with the other two

    This is for practice so I don't need it to fill a big room with lots of bodies soaking up sound. It's also just for fun so I want it to be simple and inexpensive. Smaller is better but I don't really know exactly how big it needs to be. I was thinking maybe an Alto TS112? I feel like the 110 wouldn't manage it.

    Also looking at the Harbinger or Behringer options...
     
  2. lschwart

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    In one sense that should be enough volume for your vocals, but that doesn't mean you'll actually be able to hear yourself in a small practice room with all that racket. You are probably going to have to tell your collaborators to bring their levels down a bit to accommodate your vocals and get a decent balance that lets everyone hear everything. If not, your going to 1) shred your vocal chords trying to hear yourself, 2) find yourself dealing to no avail with a lot of feedback, 3) going deaf. More volume for the vocals is not the solution in a situation like this.

    There are things that can be done with speaker and mic placement, sound treatments, and with some mics that are designed for loud stages, but the key is finding an appropriate balance for making music in a given room and learning to play for an in a way that results in an overall, balanced sound.

    Louis
     
  3. jonnytexas

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    My buddy has a powered behringer he uses for keys at a lot of gigs and it's plenty loud.
     
  4. stevel

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    vocalS?

    How many people are singing?

    If it were just one, I'd say just get a powered speaker - 12" or even a something designed as a powered monitor would be fine (10" or 12" with or without a horn - 15" too much to lug around unless you're leaving it there).

    Something you can just plug a mic in and be down with it.

    And I'd say get a keyboard amp for the keyboard.

    Then, set your vocals where they can be heard, without feedback, without anyone else playing.

    Then, everyone else brings up their volume so the vocals can still be heard.

    Then you'll have a GOOD band ;-)

    Players who listen to each other and not just blindly bang away (drummers) will always end up being much better sounding.

    I know that we often play music that needs to be "aggressive" but too many people have gone down that road - it's a recipe for disaster. If it's a "band" it needs to be a "band", not 5 soloists fighting each other.
     
  5. shawnshack

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    I use Alesis powered 112 for this. It's the same as the Alto that you mentioned. I have 3, but we usually only use one for practice. I'm running vocals into a Yamaha mixer. It works perfectly, even when our drummer plays aggressively.
     
  6. loudboy

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    Get some used Yamaha Club Series 12" monitors and a Yamaha or Peavey powered mixer.
     
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    This. I'd guess a EMX512 and 2 pair of Club 12s could be had for less than a grand used.
     
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    one or two of the Altos would be fine if you want stereo for your keyboard. If not one would do fine. If you kick bass sometimes you might want the 15" version.
     
  9. AXEnGEAR4J

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    And one of the biggest headaches is speaker placement to vocal mic in order not to feedback, it can get tough in a small venue or room especially when the PA speakers have to be behind the vocals.....I've had to turn speaker backwards sometimes to keep the feedback out and also a good mixer will allow you to bring down those frequencies that cause feedback.

    Sometimes it's better to go a little bigger than you expect, may not cost any more or is any larger in size per say.
    A great cheap practice set up would be a Behringer EP amp and a small Behringer mixer or a powered mixer probably best. There are a lot of great PA speakers for cheap on CL. JBL, EV's get something decent there, cheap speakers will make vocals sound like crap! It's hard to push up the volume and headroom with under powered stuff when you need it but it's easy to turn down the volume on something with a little more beef to it.

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  10. Hired Gun

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    If everyone can exercise self control with regards to instrument volume, you should be fine with a single powered speaker or similar.

    One of my bands (classic rock...Stones, Petty, Beatles, etc.) has been practicing in my living room with a single 100W powered speaker (Kustom KPC12MP...just for reference), and it is more than adequate. I think it was $120 on clearance from GC several years ago. We run three vocal mics through a small unpowered mixer and then on to the powered speaker. Drums, bass, and two electric guitars provide their amplification/volume. I'm not sure you can plug a mic straight in to this particular speaker, but there are plenty that provide that option.
     
  11. Digitalman

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    Yeah, generally your drummer dictates how loud you need to be. I've been in many bands with maniacal drummers. I got a long way with a used Yamaha MS400 I found used on Craigslist.
     
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    If it's just rehearsal/jam room a couple Altos or equivalent placed at your group, like monitors on a stick should be fine. Work some with speaker/ mic placement to address feedback.

    I'm literally a few feet from my rehearsal mains (no monitors) but correct mic placement does the trick.

    (IMHO) a cranked 20watt guitar in a small space is redonkulously loud
     

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