Hughes and Kettner

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  1. bbgie1223

    bbgie1223 Supporting Member

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    Can anyone tell me the difference between a 20th Anniversary Edition Tube and the older edition tube? They appear to be pretty much the same amp. Thanks.

    Andy
     
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    Good question, are you looking at that blem one on Musicians Friend? Just curious, I am too.
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    The older one has the red box ( recording output) built in as far as I am aware. The anniversary is the same but without it. I think the speaker may have changed too.
    Excellent amps by the way...
     
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    I'm pretty sure that the new model has the DI Box. Are the speaker and the DI the only differences?
     
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    New model has the Red Box DI on the effects loop "send". Nice little amp. I had one for a year and a half. Putting a weber blue dog ceramic is a nice sounding upgrade to the Rockdriver. Check ebay first.

    American Guitar and Band in the Minneapolis area now has my old one. Probably get a good deal on it with the Weber Blue Dog already installed, new tubes and the footswitch (which does not come standard you have to buy it for like $30-40). ;)
     
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    Not what I was told.
    The older ones had the RED DI
    The newer ones they tell you you can plug into a red di from the fx send. It's not built in.
     
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    If you read the spec carefully it says:2 separately variable channels: CLEAN with VOLUME; LEAD with GAIN + MASTER
    3-band EQ
    REVERB knob
    1/4" input jack
    SEND for connecting external effect devices, a RED BOX™ for a direct out feed or an additional poweramp
    RETURN for effect return signals
    FOOTSWITCH for connecting a footswitch for remote channel access
    EXTERNAL SPEAKER for connecting an outboard cabinet
    Poweramp: 20 Watt, 2 x EL 84 poweramp tubes
    Loudspeaker: 12" Eminence® Rockdriver Cream
    Dimensions: 56cm x 27,5cm x 46cm (WxHxD)
    Weight: approx. 24 kg / 53 lbs


    Which is an odd way of saying what I said above.
    You have a send which can be used to connect to external effects OR a Red Box (if you have one) OR an an amp

    This model has the RED DI (XLR output)
    [​IMG]
     
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    Interesting...I will have to see if I still have my manual. I was pretty sure it said it had the redbox. I see if I can find it. I did never try it though. Always had it miced.

     
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    I have the 20th Anniv and it does not have the red DI.
     
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    I had a Behringer GI-100 and hated it... I've never tried the Red Box but heard good things. To each his/her own I guess.
     
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    I would agree. I thought it had it for the time I owned it. Never tried to use, but thought I would when I picked that amp. I could not find it in the manual doesn't say anything about it. buchla300 it appears that you are correct.

    Chad

     
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    OK. DI aside, because that's really not a big factor for me, what's the differnce in sound - characteristics - build quality - controls, etc? In other words, what's the difference in the sound of the amps themselves aside from the DI issue?
     
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    I'm curious about this amp as well. I have a univalve but looking for something with built in reverb and two channels. Looking for a good blues/classic rock tone.
     
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    Pretty much.The older Edition Tube [not to be confused with the even older Tube 20] came with a Celestion G12F-60 "Rockdriver" speaker.

    Ed
     
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    I never played the older one but the newer on was nice sounding. The clean got a nice breakup at reasonable volumes, not really a lot of headroom. The gain started off loud right away, and a good amount of gain. Say it went from med gain to saturation on the dial. Tubes and speaker really make a big difference. The Tungsol 12AX7 was my favorite. TAD STR were my favorite EL84 but the amp just ate them way too fast, not as durable as the JJ's. I really enjoyed the sound of this amp and would have kept it if I didn't need the extra cash toward my new purchase.

    For good smokey blues I would say try putting in the CV4024, Mike at KCA suggested these for me to bring down the gain a bit in the lead channel. It worked nice. As far as classic rock sound, only if you are looking for that 2 EL84 vibe. Very different then the American classic rock of the Deluxe Reverb.


    The biggest drawback were:
    Tubes are a pain to change, you have to unscrew the back panel then unscrew the chassis, and the tubes are mounted on the board. It can go through EL84's, which I have heard or not that tough of a tube anyway, they are mounted on the PCB board right behind the speaker.

    But the cost of a used one (the Euro has killed the price on a new one) is a great deal for a good sounding amp. I looked a long time for that kind of amp in that price range, I think the H&K is the best value and sound for that class of amp in the 2 EL84 set up. Like I said I would have kept mine if I didn't need the trade value. Play one if you can.
     
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    Apart from the DI and speaker, I think they are basically the same. All older H&K are built like tanks and I think they still are.
    I played a Tube 20 new version and thought it was an excellent amp. New, not expensive, but just above what I wanted to spend. Got a Laney TT20 instead. I would gladly have a Tube 20 though.
     

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