Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by forgivenman, Jul 5, 2019.
The ones without effects loops?
My first tube amps didn’t have loops, but as I moved from experimenting with time based effects to actually using them, I wasn’t at happy with the results. Effects loops solved that problem.
Modulations are a little more flexible. Whether I place them in the loop or not is mostly a function of cable routing, but I mostly just use tremolo and that works fine either way.
That does not prove they are relevant to the question.
or to play a modeler with the power section and skip the preamp section all together in the amp
The point of a loop is to have your effects after preamp overdrive.
If you aren’t getting any overdrive from your preamp, i. e. you are using it as a clean platform, then having a loop is pointless.
What @CharAznable just said:
Effects loops are for amps with preamp overdrive only.
That is, you overdrive the preamp, but NOT the power amp.
* If you play your amp clean (like a pedal platform amp), you don't need a loop.
* If you overdrive the power section, you don't need a loop (you need slaving or wet/dry).
* If you overdrive the preamp but NOT the power amp, then you need a loop.
The big confusion these days is pedal platform amps with loops.
That's totally unnecessary, since the preamp stays clean.
Put the reverb and delay up front, before the amp.
I think the vast majority of the time this is it - but, there may be scenarios where a player wants particular FX after the tone stack even for clean tones. Though running them post amp/speaker may make sense at that point anyway ...
Now there's a ridiculous analogy. Ferraris are hardly production items with pricing driving their design features.
Neither are many high end amps who don't employ effects loops by design.
I need to use my 'Ignore' feature more often.
Could you try to be a little less rude ? Thanks.
Well, he's right. Why do you want to 'ignore' the truth?
What perplexes me is how the loop on my Crate Palomino is perfect no matter what I throw at it but the loop on my Tremoverb is so finicky it helped me decide to sell it off.
4ED0D9ED-D7D8-44E0-86D5-9E7E832EBEA4 by Glass Onion posted Jun 27, 2018 at 3:57 PM
I have never found an effects loop that works for me.
I like the amp cooking and loops don’t work for me.
I prefer a Suhr iso line out and then a second or even third amp for wet stuff.
And even without using the loop it takes away from tone most times.
If I remember correctly Tremoverbs have a parallel loop vs. serial.
the amps i have w the ability to turn the loop on and off sound better with it out of the signal. that combined with the fact some people dont need them and the fact the simpler the build the less expensive the price...thats a lot of good reasons.
Not if you use one of these. Night and day. I'll never play without them in front and the loop now that I've heard the difference.
What I think, unless for some reason this approach sucks now. I think the guys who will not buy an amp without a loop are a little off base.
It's not one size fits all. It all depends on what you want to do with it.
I think my TSL60 has an efeects loop but I've never tried, my other amps don't have one. Back in the day one would be perplexed as to what one even did, much less want one. But when effects became more mature in the later 70's etc. they became useful to many. Having learned in the days prior they don't do anything for me; I'm sure I'm missing some cool stuff, but I'll make do. Of course, I rarely even use pedals so I'm not a good barometer...