I played the PRS Mayer Sig amp today.

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I usually make fun of the people who gawk at amp prices here but this has almost crossed the dumble threshold (where you switch to making fun of people who buy them)
 
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When he was using Two-Rocks, you need a Two-Rock to get that tone. A lot of amps are "sort of close," but no, they're not exact. That "hugeness" you get from the Two-Rock sig is just indescribable, its so big, rounded, well balanced, never harsh. I've not found it's equal and I've played most of the close-ish amps. If you were closer I'd invite you round for a couple of beers and the opportunity to demo it, and I'm confident I'd change your views.


Check the solo from around the 3 minute mark. That tone is just glorius.

Now, I've not played the J-MOD yet, but what I do know is that there is nothing but crappy demos out there so far of this amp. PRS aren't doing it any favours by only allowing demo's with their soulless guitars. Also, in demo's, that treble switch is never turned on. You wouldn't EVER DARE of playing the Two-Rock sig without that switch on, it's just too dark for most applications, and assuming Mayer has voiced this similarly (probably has,) then you'd assume the same. Infact, in the latest demo, the guy turns the treble switch on for about 5 seconds at the end and it improves the tone no end.

I'm holding back my opinion on how good this amp sounds until I hear someone demo it with a really nice strat and that Treble switch on. Arguments about the price are just irrelevant in my opinion, you can either afford it or you can't, no need to moan.
That solo tone sounds great. Wonder why he didn't stick with that? Probably because he's like the rest of us....
 

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When he was using Two-Rocks, you need a Two-Rock to get that tone. A lot of amps are "sort of close," but no, they're not exact. That "hugeness" you get from the Two-Rock sig is just indescribable, its so big, rounded, well balanced, never harsh. I've not found it's equal and I've played most of the close-ish amps. If you were closer I'd invite you round for a couple of beers and the opportunity to demo it, and I'm confident I'd change your views.
Did you try those other amps at John's stage volume? I'm still not hearing anything I couldn't get extremely close to with a Strat on the neck pick-up and many other amps (and maybe an OD or boost pedal), turned up loud.
 

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When he was using Two-Rocks, you need a Two-Rock to get that tone. A lot of amps are "sort of close," but no, they're not exact. That "hugeness" you get from the Two-Rock sig is just indescribable, its so big, rounded, well balanced, never harsh. I've not found it's equal and I've played most of the close-ish amps. If you were closer I'd invite you round for a couple of beers and the opportunity to demo it, and I'm confident I'd change your views.


Check the solo from around the 3 minute mark. That tone is just glorius.
Wow. That's. An awesome. Tone.
 

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It's really simple: I don't see John Mayer having a unique/special enough tone(s) that would drive one to buy a bunch of expensive matching gear to get that/those tone(s). Said another way, any guitar tones I've heard from JM seem (to me) to be easily obtainable via readily available, affordable, regular guitar gear -- if you've got the playing skills.
I think that he is popular enough that manufacturers take notice. As it turns out, John has has some pretty nice stuff that he worked with PRS on. It also turns out that John has a pretty cool side gig with Dead & Co where some of this new PRS stuff is being used.
 

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When he was using Two-Rocks, you need a Two-Rock to get that tone. A lot of amps are "sort of close," but no, they're not exact. That "hugeness" you get from the Two-Rock sig is just indescribable, its so big, rounded, well balanced, never harsh. I've not found it's equal and I've played most of the close-ish amps. If you were closer I'd invite you round for a couple of beers and the opportunity to demo it, and I'm confident I'd change your views.


Check the solo from around the 3 minute mark. That tone is just glorius.

Now, I've not played the J-MOD yet, but what I do know is that there is nothing but crappy demos out there so far of this amp. PRS aren't doing it any favours by only allowing demo's with their soulless guitars. Also, in demo's, that treble switch is never turned on. You wouldn't EVER DARE of playing the Two-Rock sig without that switch on, it's just too dark for most applications, and assuming Mayer has voiced this similarly (probably has,) then you'd assume the same. Infact, in the latest demo, the guy turns the treble switch on for about 5 seconds at the end and it improves the tone no end.

I'm holding back my opinion on how good this amp sounds until I hear someone demo it with a really nice strat and that Treble switch on. Arguments about the price are just irrelevant in my opinion, you can either afford it or you can't, no need to moan.
Did you try those other amps at John's stage volume? I'm still not hearing anything I couldn't get extremely close to with a Strat on the neck pick-up and many other amps (and maybe an OD or boost pedal), turned up loud.
I think this (below) is essentially the same BIG neck position strat tone. I don't know the song, and only spent 5 minutes dialing in this tone (JTM45 and an Kinsgley Jouster pedal with it's OD set low, and a Soul Food with it's gain all the way down before that). The amp was pretty loud. iPhone mic.


LOL, Blast away....
 
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I think this (below) is essentially the same BIG neck position strat tone. I don't know the song, and only spent 5 minutes dialing in this tone (JTM45 and an Kinsgley Jouster pedal with it's OD set low, and a Soul Food with it's gain all the way down before that). The amp was pretty loud.


LOL, Blast away....
Hi Joe. I'm not wanting to get into the debate but I wanted to say I appreciate you actually putting up a video/clip to prove your point. So many people on here have a lot of talk but never back it up with any music/playing. I think you're playing is great; I don't know if people will say it sounds the same or different. I suspect there will be differing opinions. I personally think a Two-Rock Mayer Sig sounds quite different to the traditional vintage amps like a Fender or Marshall; especially at stage volume. The Two-Rock Sig can get really loud without a hint of harshness; the bass and soundstage is just huge on the Two-Rock Mayer Sig. Here is clip of my Two-Rock Sig and my buddy playing it when we brought it out to the studio to mess around the other day. I personally gig a small Fender-ish 1X12 combo and that's perfect for me but definitely the Two-Rock is quite a different animal in the room. The clip is the Two-Rock Mayer Sig with essentially the same pedal chain as yours and no backing band so it hopefully allows people to make a better judgement for themselves. The clip was done with an Apple iPhone 6. Cheers.

 
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Hi Joe. I'm not wanting to get into the debate but I wanted to say I appreciate you actually putting up a video/clip to prove your point. So many people on here have a lot of talk but never back it up with any music/playing. I think you're playing is great; I don't know if people will say it sounds the same or different. I suspect there will be differing opinions. I personally think a Two-Rock Mayer Sig sounds quite different to the traditional vintage amps like a Fender or Marshall; especially at stage volume. The Two-Rock Sig can get really loud without a hint of harshness; the bass and soundstage is just huge on the Two-Rock Mayer Sig. Here is clip of my Two-Rock Sig and my buddy playing it when we brought it out to the studio to mess around the other day. I personally gig a small Fender-ish 1X12 combo and that's perfect for me but definitely the Two-Rock is quite a different animal in the room. The clip is the Two-Rock Mayer Sig with essentially the same pedal chain as yours and no backing band so it hopefully allows people to make a better judgement for themselves. The clip was done with an Apple iPhone 6. Cheers.

Sounds really good. Of course, my tone in my clip isn't exactly the same as John Mayer's on that pro video in an ultra-pro concert setting - and neither is yours -- but I was just going for a big, but not too gainy Strat neck-pick-up thing, which I essentially what I hear in the JM clip above. I hear what you're saying -- it's like a slightly overdriven fat tone with the edges sanded off. Turn that up loud and it does sound huge. Making sure that "edges-off" tone is audible (without being crazy loud) in a band mix might require you to put more treble/presence into it.
 

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Sounds really good. Of course, my tone in my clip isn't exactly the same as John Mayer's on that pro video in an ultra-pro concert setting - and neither is yours -- but I was just going for a big, but not too gainy Strat neck-pick-up thing, which I essentially what I hear in the JM clip above. I hear what you're saying -- it's like a slightly overdriven fat tone with the edges sanded off. Turn that up loud and it does sound huge. Making sure that "edges-off" tone is audible (without being crazy loud) in a band mix might require you to put more treble/presence into it.
Yours sounds more distorted - a great tone but different
 

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Good for you. Interesting you bring up people immediately bragging about the price of their expensive amp and you turn around and do the same regarding your frugality, self-denial or whatever descriptive you choose. I really don't think you get what Jon was saying at all nor do I think you have any point but enjoy your "values". I'll certainly enjoy mine.
Actually, Jon isn't saying anything of value other than to be defensive.

It's incredible that folks can't have civil conversations about human behavior without taking the points as personal affront.
 

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I think this (below) is essentially the same BIG neck position strat tone. I don't know the song, and only spent 5 minutes dialing in this tone (JTM45 and an Kinsgley Jouster pedal with it's OD set low, and a Soul Food with it's gain all the way down before that). The amp was pretty loud. iPhone mic.


LOL, Blast away....
Your rig sounds great. More edgy than a Fender but to be expected with a JTM45. Sounds like my tweed Bandmaster, sort of.

You should post more clips of your playing to back up your opinions. I don't have the guts.
 

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Your rig sounds great. More edgy than a Fender but to be expected with a JTM45. Sounds like my tweed Bandmaster, sort of.
Interestingly, I've never dialed in that tone before (I use a Kemper for all gigs anyway), I usually use a more distorted and compressed OD tone, and with humbuckers rather than a Strat -- plus I'm not a neck pick-up solo guy normally. That said, I could play on that tone for hours - it was really big sounding in the room -- but too loud for more than a few minutes at a time, even in my 400 SqFt. room.
 

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The arguments about status just don't add up. My local shop has 5 preorders, I know 4 guys now who have these on preorder. No ones saying a thing. TGP would give them a hard time so they remain anonomous. If people were buying these to show off about it, TGP would be the place they do that. They're not.
People are actually buying it? Damn, now I feel bad about making fun of it.

But if they're not buying it for status, why are they buying it?

Because they're JM fanboys? (Now I don't feel so bad...)

Because they think it has awesome tone? That's hard to believe.

Because they already own every other decent amp? I might believe that...

Seriously, why?

I should add, part of my derision is that I consider JM a fairly average player. Nothing wrong with average, but I don't understand why people admire him so much.
 
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People are actually buying it? Damn, now I feel bad about making fun of it.

But if they're not buying it for status, why are they buying it?

Because they're JM fanboys? (Now I don't feel so bad...)

Because they think it has awesome tone? That's hard to believe.

Because they already own every other decent amp? I might believe that...

Seriously, why?
My guess is people are buying it because they want it.
 

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Anyone who has ever spent more than $3k for a head/cab really has nothing to complain about. Thats already well above what most people will ever spend for an amp. Once you cross a certain threshold, what does it matter? You spend exhorbant amounts of money on amplifiers. Period.
if someone buys a >3k amp why does that somehow equate to having infinite money to throw around on stuff?

I continue to have the same problem with this amp; for 6k I dont see the provenance to justify it and Ive yet to see a compelling enough demo that I would go track one down. this thing is basically the amp version of a Hublot to me; gauche and pretentious all at the same time.

I genuinely want to know why the demos sound so bad overall. I find it very unlikely the amp isnt capable of some really nice tones. But what I can say is that you can tell from a cell phone video that the new TR Classic Reverb is probably a better buy if you wanna sound like JM (or just have a nice big clean amp, a severely underrated aspect of these amps).
 
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if someone buys a >3k amp why does that somehow equate to having infinite money to throw around on stuff?

I continue to have the same problem with this amp; for 6k I dont see the provenance to justify it and Ive yet to see a compelling enough demo that I would go track one down. this thing is basically the amp version of a Hublot to me; gauche and pretentious all at the same time.

I genuinely want to know why the demos sound so bad overall. I find it very unlikely the amp isnt capable of some really nice tones. But what I can say is that you can tell from a cell phone video that the new TR Custom Reverb is probably a better buy if you wanna sound like JM (or just have a nice big clean amp, a severely underrated aspect of these amps).
It doesn't mean you have infinite resources, but it does mean that you're in a category of amp buyers. If you're already spending $3000 or $4000, you're much more likely to pony up $6000 than they guy who bought a $800 Orange at guitar center on Saturday.

And I'm with you, I don't hear it. But Mayer is a bit of a tone junkie, so I'd be surprised if it wasn't a great sounding amp. $6k great? I'm skeptical.
 


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