and Martin, too. Growing up, these were the two premier brands that I looked forward to owning. I bought my first Gibson in 1979, a 1963 SG JR. It took me twenty years more to get my first Martin, a 000C-15E. College expenses and building up a contracting business took up most of my disposable income. Not being a working musician, I couldn't justify an expensive guitar. Nowadays, I am trying to limit my ‘stable’ to one nice electric and one nice acoustic, plus an inexpensive Epiphone for the basement den/TV room (I get nervous going up and down the stairs with the nice stuff!). My nice electric is a Thorn JR 90, my acoustic an OM28. My point is, I'd have no problem owning a modern Gibson. Sure there's been some QC problems. It's a volatile market and a lot of makers are struggling to find their niche. What I don't understand is the ‘love to hate’ wolf pack mentality at TGP. Gibson and Martin seem to be dirty words around here!