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I'm finally getting a really good drum sound!

Discussion in 'Recording/Live Sound' started by straticus, May 11, 2005.

  1. straticus

    straticus Member

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    I've been recording my band for a while. We had been mic-ing all the drums with a mix of over heads and 57's and 58's close up. The mics belong to different members of the band and we just use what we have available.

    About a month ago a couple of band members and I wanted to record a Dylan cover as a side project. But that would mean that we wouldn't have all of the mics that we normally have here for us to use. We had to go minimal. We ended up using 2 Oktava MK-012's for over heads and a Rode NTV in front of the drum set about chest high. I was amazed at how dang great it sounded!! Much better then trying to mic everything ........ probably because of the crummy mics we were using on the toms. But that NTV seems to add something that sounds very cool and it works great with our music. I pan the over heads hard R / L and that spreads the drums out a bit. Since then I have added a 57 on the snare to this set up and I'm real happy with the drum sound I'm getting for my band.

    Anyway, I'm pretty excited about this and wanted to share. Anyone else using a similar mic set up on drums?
     
  2. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny Member

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    cool strat!

    nothin' like getting some ambience for a killer drum sound. :cool:

    micing wise, i prefer a minimal setup and usually have a Rode NT4 stereo mic as an overhead, an SM57 on the snare, and my trusty Audix D4 on my bass. the NT4 is a stereo capsule, so sound waves hit it at the same time. no phase issues. and my D4 has a more neutral frequency profile, so i get a more natural bass drum sound.

    but am always interested in hearing what other mics you guys use on your snares...
     
  3. LSchefman

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    Lately, I've been using the Oktavas a lot for overheads, depending on the kit and the player. If a guy is a light hitter, I sometimes use AKG 414s as overheads for more "reach" into the toms.

    On snare I use a 57, hat I sometimes mic with a GT33, which is nice and sizzly sounding, and on kick an ATM25.
     
  4. straticus

    straticus Member

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    From what I can gather through reading and just talking with folks, the sm57 seems to be what most people use on snare but the rest of it can vary a great deal. But the 57 on snare seems to be the one constant. I wish I had enough money to buy a better mic collection. Of course, maybe if I'd quit spending all my dough on guitar stuff ................:D


    Very interesting about the 414's having more "reach". Makes me want a set.


    BC
     
  5. Red Ant

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    my "home" setup:

    Kick: MD421
    Sn: SM57
    HH(if any) Oktava MK12
    Toms: prefer 421s, but will use 57s if have to
    OH: Oktava MK12s
    Room: to taste

    my "Studio" setup

    Kick: AKG D12 + MD421
    Sn top: 57
    Sn bottom: Senheiser 441
    HH: Neumann KM84
    Toms: 421s
    OH: Neumann KM84s
    Room: ideally a AKG C24(stereo C12), or 2 Telefunken 67Tubes, or 47Tubes, or M49s, etc...
     
  6. jokerjkny

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    it is, but always cool to try something new. i.e. on another drum board, heard a few guys getting great results with Audix' new i-5, which was reviewed favorably in Modern Drummer.

    try this thread:

    http://www.drumsmith.com/showthread.php?t=966
     
  7. loudboy

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    My "standard" setup...

    Kick, ATM-25

    Snare, SM-57

    Hat, AKG 451

    Toms, 57 on small (>10") 421 on deck toms, Beyer 740 on floor tom

    OH, KM184, 451, or Beyer 740

    Room, Royer R121 or Oktava MC-012

    Loudboy
     
  8. covert

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    I have been using an AKG D1000e on snare a lot. A bit crisper than the 57.
     
  9. KungFuLio

    KungFuLio Senior Member

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    The Big Setup:
    Kick - D112 (usually)
    Kick Out - FET47
    Snr Top - Audix i5, 414EB when there's an acurate drummer and one's available
    Snr Bottom - KM140
    Toms - Beyer m201 (usually)
    Overheads - Audix SCX 25 or B&K 4011 spaced, equidistant from snare
    Hat - KM 84 Usually
    Room - 414 TLII spaced omni

    The Limited Setup:
    Kick (front of kit) - FET47
    Snare - Audix i5
    Overhead - Manley Cardioid
    Sides of Kit - B&K 4011 Equidistant from snare at about 2 1/2 ft high about 6-10 ft from snare

    YMMV always
     
  10. Bassomatic

    Bassomatic Silver Supporting Member

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    Any chance of folks posting some actual audio examples of their favored setups here? It would make this thread a lot more meaningful.
     
  11. loudboy

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    Nah, that would completely expose me for the charlatan I am.

    Next you'll be wanting a clip of my guitar playing, in which case the jig would be completely up...

    Loudboy
     
  12. Bassomatic

    Bassomatic Silver Supporting Member

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    I'll take your word for it.;)

    That said, a few sonic examples are always appreciated in the world of The Return of the Son of the Anonymous Overnight Internet Expert - helps separate the real from the merely fantastic. :p
     
  13. Red Ant

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    :dude

    I dont have any examples handy (meaning uploaded) but if you go to AMG or Amazon and look up Helmet's "Betty" or Snot's "Get Some" you'll get a good representation of my "big setup" :)
     
  14. loudboy

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    This was the KM184s:

    http://www.uncleplum.com/clips/AnySoundClip.mp3

    I just tracked drums on this one.

    I think this was using the Beyer 740s on OHs:

    http://www.brianlindsay.net/listen.htm

    Used a lot of variations of close, room and artificial (Lexi 200) ambiences on this record.

    Here's some old-school punk, using the KM184s:

    http://www.purevolume.com/thesweatshopboys

    Check out "Hey Jingo." We did this whole record (14 songs) in 32 hours.

    I can't find any good .mp3s online of the Greg Howe/Dennis Chambers/Vic Wooten stuff I did, but I could've used a tin can and a string on that... <g>

    Loudboy
     
  15. Bassomatic

    Bassomatic Silver Supporting Member

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    Ant-

    We all know you're the real deal!

    Is the 'Betty' setup as outlined above?
     
  16. Red Ant

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    yes it is - except for room i think we used an L - C - R setup with U87s as the L/R and my U67T in the middle.
     

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