I'm usually not a big fan of him as a guitar player

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  1. Rockledge

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    Modern marketing at its' finest. It is amazing what advertising and promotion can do.
    No doubt the music industry likes him a great deal.
     
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    Yeah, the goal would not be to impress anyone, but rather to remind him how loathsome that song and performance is. But he probably already knows this by now. How could he not? Does he still play it at shows?
     
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    No doubt he does, and the dude would be a fool to walk away from a golden goose industry that knows how to promote him and make a "star" with him. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
     
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    I'm not his big fan but really admire his bluesy impro skills.
     
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    Give him time guys....I think he has a chance of making his mark.
     
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    That TRIO live album he did is pretty great. His singing is excellent on that album, full voice and not as much as the breathy "affected" vocal that is obviously prevalent in much of his studio stuff.
    Easy to see how some people, especially men might not fawn over that vocal style.
    But honestly, he is super talented.
     
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    I've gained respect for his playing skills over the past few years, and he certainly is an excellent entertainer, but his singing? The best I could say is that he's on pitch, so that's good. But among "great" singers? Gosh, no.
     
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    Agreed, but how so in your estimation? Surely not simply in that we have different tastes, I'd venture.
     
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    I feel that Mayer would've been a very successful musician regardless of the entertainment marketing machine.

    Probably because he's a really good guitar player, songwriter, passable singer, and doesn't get caught up in being a "guitar hero".
     
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    He's made good creative use of utilizing a not so great singing voice and limited register to his advantage, but it's obviously taken its toll with having to get surgery. I don't know if it's ingenious or blind luck but the women ate up that whispy voice thing in the beginning and if he tried to belt he probably wouldn't have had the success he did. I personally can't enjoy listening to his style of singing.
     
  11. Rockledge

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    I don't. As I say, I think he would have made a good backup musician in a pop group, he is a very good guitarist ( although good guitarists are a penny a bushel now). But his songwriting is rather garden variety and as a front man he looks too contrived and rehearsed.
    He is a smart guy though, he certainly knows how to let others market his skills well and ride the wave. I don't find fault in anyone who can do that.
     
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    See, I can’t get behind this train of thought.

    Lebron can’t shoot, has questionable defense at times, and isn’t a “clutch” player. He has many strengths, but noticeable and exploitable flaws. I don’t think anyone would ever claim him to be a “good 2nd or 3rd option” on another team.

    Let’s apply this to the topic at hand now. How is it that John Mayer, a man who has shown to be a headlining draw for almost twenty years; a songwriter who has written hits for years across different genres and performs on albums for many different artists; the man successfully playing the part of Jerry Garcia in a headlining band of a completely different genre for the last four years...how would he be better suited as a backup of a pop group?
     
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    Personally I am a big fan of John Mayer.

    I really like his guitar playing. Very tasty.

    I don't think he has a great voice, but over the years his singing has gotten better and better. I think the turning point was Born and Raised. Before this album he was very adventurous with his singing, used a lot of falsetto, you could hear a lot of effort in his singing. From Born and Raised onwards I feel he has started to write songs which are more relaxed vocally and therefore he sounds much better singing them. He is now writing more to his strengts, or with better awareness of his own limitations. Maybe he got some vocal training too. Botom line is I really like his singing now.

    But the most important thing for me is that about 30% of the songs he writes are real gems (IMHO). I don't care about the rest, but I have a playlist of Mayer songs I love, and the list gets longer with every album.
     
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    Single males in their early 20's with no children don't like the new 2020 Chrysler minivan.

    Dudes on TGP don't JM's vocal style, tone or phrasing.

    Not sure which comes as more of a shock.
     
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    I dig his guitar playing and tones he gets... his singing and songs bore me to death (too sappy dave matthewy.. ick) and if they came on the radio in my car I would change it pretty fast.. but with that being said.. the dude gots skillz
     
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    I have no clue who "lebaron" is so I can't relate to the analogy.

    Karoake strippers who do nothing but sing and dance headline too. Again, it is all about good marketing to the right segment of the herd at the right time.
    Again, he is a pretty good guitarist and would be a good backup musician in a modern pop group.
    Maybe a contributing member as far as songwriting, although I haven't heard a song by him yet that I find very interesting. As far as fronting a band, he obviously has the moves and the expected behavior on stage down, I just do see him as very charismatic or interesting as a performer.
    Which again, means little when it comes to the entertainment industry. The entertainment suits could sell bags of ice to Eskimos.
     
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    This reminds me of some guy on a You Tube video comment section who was critiquing Mozart’s Symphony #28. So, somebody asked him “What Symphony did you write when you were 18?” And, no, I don’t mean to compare JM to Mozart.
    The point is JM has had a long, successful career. All the promoters in the world can’t make that happen unless there’s something there that people like. And judging from the collaborations he’s done a lot of other musicians/artists must recognize his talent, too.
     
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    The truly bizarre thing is repeatedly making comments like “he would make an ok backing musician,” or “he has a bad voice.” It shows the total denial of reality. Let me see if I can describe the actual reality of what John Mayer is: a superstar who has written loads of hits (and a number of very good songs that weren’t hits, like “Shadow Days”), had every cute girl in every town dancing in the aisles and singing along on every one of his tours since before he was signed, has demonstrated repeatedly that, when he plays with the greatest backing musicians in the world going full tilt (Steve Jordan and Pino Paladino), he can totally hold his own, and is a verifiable, Grammy-winning, multiple-million selling artist. If millions of people like your singing voice and will spend money to hear it, you have a good voice- we’re not talking about testing for potable water, here. The definition of a nice singing voice is one that people want to hear.

    He is fully qualified to be a major musical pop star, because that is what he is for twenty years now. If you think he’s a bad singer, most of the evidence disagrees with you. Literally, millions of people disagree with you. If you think he’s a bad writer, full 10,000 seat venues twenty years after he wrote those hits disagree with you. And more songs being written every year.

    You don’t like it, all cool. But sitting around like some 35 year old neckbeard in your Mom’s basement trying to tell everybody online what John Mayer really deserves to be is the dumbest **** you could ever aspire to do.

    I don’t even own a record of his, but some of the things people engage in on this board literally defy reason.
     
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    And the ones people are taking shots at represent a very small part of what the guy has done.
     
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    You could omit all the words after "clue" and still be right.
     
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