Incredibly rare, historic Rickenbacker up on Reverb

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  1. Sweetfinger

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    A lot of "answers" to the Les Paul didn't pan out. The Les Paul itself was essentially discontinued.
    The big ol' horseshoe bridge pickup probably hobbled that model right out of the gate. That's a lot of real estate to try and get around while playing.
     
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    I’m not sure that “Like” is strong enough for this picture. Far out.
     
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    That's such a great pic! Love the spare tire rack on top of the car.

    @DYNA BILL, what amp did your dad play the Ric and the Thin Twin thru?
     
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    I think those numbers are way low for a Combo 850.
     
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    The Thin Twin, he played through a 50's Gibson amp and The Ric he played first through The Gibson amp, then he got a Twin Reverb. But he decided the Twin Reverb was too heavy to pack back and forth to church, so he got a Deluxe Reverb.
     
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    I was just quoting the numbers in 2019 VG Price Guide.
     
  9. Guitarworks

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    I know, right? Talk about trying to glom onto crumbs of fame and cash in on vapors of hearsay. Is it collectable? Certainly. Is it a remarkable example with an impressive provenance? Without a doubt. Was it actually involved in the making of any history? Probably not. It is the penniless princess and younger sister of the one that was heir to the throne and became queen. Was it ever touched by someone famous? Impossible to say, and therefore carries no weight to the critical thinker.

    There is a ridiculous amount of “may have”, “possibly” and “we believe” inferences in the ad copy of that sale trying to fabricate a fantasy scenario. To say nothing of the unnecessary sales pitch / equally baseless supposition that the 1st generation 2 inch thick bodies are “probably” responsible for “why so many [supposedly] say they sound better” than the 1.5 inch bodies that came in 1964. Please. No one who can snap down the AMEX platinum card for this guitar cares about what is heard coming out of the f-hole. They’re paying for a time capsule. Put a sock in it, Roy.
     
  10. Artie Fisk

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    I think the interest and value might come from the fact that only 6 were made and only 4 around now, and that it was this specific model (along with Vox AC30s) that defined what “rhythm guitar” was and is. That’s not to say that the amount they’re asking is appropriate, or that they’ll get it. If someone is willing to pay that much, then more power to the seller. I think it’s more likely to sell for a lot less than that, to be honest.
     
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    Those short scale 325’s have to be the most difficult guitars to play and keep in tune. I love the basses and 60’s 12 strings though.
     
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    I'm guessing you haven't tried one with really heavy strings? Lennon used one almost exclusively well into 1965, for many hundreds of performances, so they can't be so awful.
     
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    I have played a few of the v58 reissues, most with heavy flats as all Beatles disciples use. Not my favorite Ric model. When he got the long scale casino he quickly ditched it. That must have meant something.

    Have you ever heard George talk about how bad their Ric’s and Gretsch’s played? The Jet was the only one I’ve seen him play post Beatles.
     
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    I had a model 320 many years ago. I didn't have any tuning issues, but I quickly upgraded to a full-scale 330, which is a much better-sounding guitar, not so plinkity-plinkity.

    As for the Casino, the Beatles' music was evolving, and so they needed new and different "tools" to get the kinds of sounds they wanted. First Paul bought one, and then George and John both bought them. They also got a pair of Strats, an Esquire, and some Gibsons around that time.

    Their visual style was also changing, which could also account for why George and John decided to mothball their 'signature' instruments.

    This is actually kind of an interesting sub-topic...

    I've read George comment on how he was dissatisfied with the tone of a Gretsch into a Vox amp, but I've never heard him complain about how poorly they played. That's not to say he didn't, I've just never heard that.

    I have a '62 Tennessean similar to George's, and while it's not the most versatile instrument, it's a fine player within its limitations. Great for, say, fingerstyle (a la Chet) but not so easy to bend strings on. I think the fretboard has a 12" radius!
     
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    The only guitar I’ve read George complaining about in terms of playability was his faux-Strat Futurama. He said that while it had a great sound and a really good way of switching the pickups (three on/off switches), it was “a dog to play.” In the interview where he talks about the Gretsches, he suggests that he was young and naive for being dissatisfied with the sound of a Gretsch into a Vox amp.

    He said:

    "It was funny," said George Harrison, "because all these American bands kept coming over to England, saying, 'How did you get that guitar sound?' And the more I listened to it, the more I decided I didn't like the guitar sound I had. It was crap. A Gretsch guitar and a Vox amp, and I didn't like it. But those were early days, and we were lucky to have anything when we started out."

    To me, that sounds like an older gent looking back and shaking his head at the idea that he had a Gretsch Duo Jet, two Country Gents, and a Tennessean into a Vox AC30 and somehow found it lacking and went in search of more.
     
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    Not known for their accuracy on Rickenbackers.
     
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    I had an 89’ 350 that I really liked. I think that 3 pickups is the way to go on 6 string rics (even though John disconnected the middle pickup on his). I have hung onto a 66’ 360-12 just like George’s second one.

    I’d love to find a 60’s Tennesseean but most I have came across over the years needed the inevitable neck reset.
     
  18. beatcomber

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    I'd love to see that 360/12 if you have a pic handy!

    My '62 Tenny is about as clean an example as you would hope to find, but the bridge only has a few mm of clearance left until a neck reset will be inevitable. I do not look forward to that day.
     
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    That's it, the quote I was referring to.
     
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    Olivia gave him an "Eddie Cochran" guitar (6120), which he played on the Carl Perkins TV special.

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