Is it just my VHT Deliverance 60 or.....

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by lgehrig4, Dec 20, 2005.


  1. lgehrig4

    lgehrig4 Silver Supporting Member

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    .....do the presence and depth controls have minimal affect over the tone? With the presence I only hear a difference when almost turn completely up and with the depth I don't hear any difference.

    thanks
    jeff
     
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    I have a 120, and those controls are dangerous. They are very sensative, and have a great impact on the sound.
    Give Steve a call and see if he can help you out.
    Steve
     
  3. lgehrig4

    lgehrig4 Silver Supporting Member

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    I will definitely contact VHT, but I like to give the forums a chance first since the info may be useful to other Del owners.

    I use an attenuator and I would say that the gain(s) and master were at 12 when I noticed this.

    Thanks
    Jeff
     
  4. SteveVHT

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    Why are you using an attenuator?
    I personally don't think it needs one to get great tone at low volume.
    Plus, you're going to have to just about nail it to get KT88's burning.:D
    Do the controls work better without the attenuator?
    Steve
     
  5. lgehrig4

    lgehrig4 Silver Supporting Member

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    First, lets calibrate on our definitions of low volume. I've seen your gear and heard your clips so I'm sure we are not on the same page. I only play at home so low is low.

    With the attenuator I can get the power tubes cooking (which you already know) and the sound if different at the same volume as with no attenuator and master low.

    I will have to test the controls without the attenuator again b/c I cannot remember. Either way there should be some difference in sound as you are turning these knobs. The pres does nothing until almost cranked and the depth does nothing period. Personally, I love the amp if it didn't even have these choices, but I am very particular about my equiptment working properly.

    Does anyone have any info to offer that addresses my initial question? (you know tubes, adjustments, etc)
     
  6. SteveVHT

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    I think something may be wrong. The presence and Depth are controls dedicated to the power section, and should make a huge difference.
    I keep my presence around10-11 O clock and the depth between 11-12 O clock when playing at bedroom volumes and recording.
    All the clips that I have posted of the amp were recorded at a literal talking volume and no more.
    I'm a firm beleiver that you never have to crank an amp to get great tone. Some amps like old Plexis and SLO's etc NEED that, but the VHT's don't.
    Just give Steve a call later when he opens. Maybe something simple....
    I wish I could help you more.
    Steve
     
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    What speakers are you using????
     
  8. lgehrig4

    lgehrig4 Silver Supporting Member

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    Thanks guys. I'll call Steve this afternoon. From what you are saying, I think there is definitely something wrong since I can spin both knobs and not hear much of a difference.

    I'm not sure what speakers are in my cab, I assume stock. It's a VHT fat bottom.

    p.s. I have the 50/st as well. Real quality sounding amps and loud!

    thanks again
    Jeff
     
  9. SteveVHT

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    OK, cool.
    I was concerned with the speakers because some speakers can't handle the low end that the D's deliver. You're OK since you're using the right speakers.

    Best of luck, and I hope it's something small that is easily fixed....
    Steve
     
  10. Randy

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    I've got a D60 which I've been running into a Hotplate set to -8db. I'm also using mine at home at low volumes.

    I find the presence and depth knobs do have a noticeable effect, but it is not as prominent as on other amps I own. The presence on my amp varies the tone from between "blanket over the speaker cab" at around 10:00, to bright and biting at around 4:00. The depth has a less powerful effect, but it also depends on where the other controls are set.

    FWIW I'm running both my depth and presence up around 3:00 with my tone controls roughly around noon, and both gain knobs up around 3-4:00.
     
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    Other than the before mentioned problem how are you all who own this amp doing with them. I've yet to see one live at a shop. It is on the list of gear I'm considering for 06.
     
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    "......chick flick finess....?"
     
  13. lgehrig4

    lgehrig4 Silver Supporting Member

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    I emailed Steve and he got back to me within 1hr. I will post his answer since it is good info and may help others.

    "On the presence control, there is a very subtle change from zero to 2
    or 3 o'clock.
    After that there is a marked increase in response. This is intentional
    and will be more or less apparent depending on the speaker type,
    cabinet design and playing volume. For example, very bright speakers will
    react more to the Presence setting. In addition, attenuators, while not
    harmful to the amp, do diminish the amount of interaction between the amp
    and speakers, and therefore the behavior of the Presence and Depth
    controls.

    At Master 1 o'clock, the amp is pretty close to full volume and
    depending on your gain settings and pickup type could be somewhat compressed,
    but the interaction between the speaker and amp that the Depth control
    operation depends on is reduced dramatically. Conversely, at Master 9
    o'clock, there is less output volume, therefore less speaker excursion,
    resulting is less Depth control response."

    This is the 2nd time I've had to email him and the 2nd time I received a surprisingly quick response.

    I will play around a bit and see if I can demonstrate what he is saying...


    ....anyway, the amp sounds great! I just wish I had the chops to take advantage of this. I thought I was going to favor the high gain, but I'm really digging the lower gain tones, especially with my strat.

    Whoever says VHT has their own sound is 100% correct. Can't really explain it, but it seems to me that different guitars and different styles can make the amp almost unidentifiable from player to player, whereas you can pretty much tell a Marshall regardless of whos playing one.......just my amateur opinion ;)
     
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    Won't your PB45 be pissed?
     
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    How do the high gain tones differ between, say, the CL amps and the Deliverance amps? Are they really similar, or does the Deliverance offer a markedly different sound?
     
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    Thanks for the info, dt! Sounds like such a killer amp. Argh, I really dig having two channels, though, and there's no way I'm going to use two amps live. What I'd really like to check out is a two channel VHT with a Deliverance red channel and a UL green channel :)
     
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    It actually sounds like this amp has many many channels along the dial of the guitar volume knob. ;)
     
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    Actually two deliverance channels would be really good.
     
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    im amazed at how cheap these amps are. im definately interested in trying out the d60
     
  20. A440

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    also very interested in the D60. glad to hear a combo is also in the works

    all clips I've heard (from Brian and Splatt) sound great !

    very gas-inspriring to say the least :JAM
     

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