Is it real mahogany?

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  1. wamba

    wamba Member

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    Considering a 2004 Epiphone (Korean) Les Paul '56 Gold Top. Are the body and neck of these guitars actually made with real mahogany?
     
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    Sure
    Just not the uber expensive Honduran kind
    There are a lot of species from different places
    I'd imagine it's from somewhere in Asia. Could be African
     
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    Is there fake Mahogany?
     
  4. wamba

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    I was told it could be poplar dyed to look like mahogany.
     
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    BathTimeStrummer Supporting Member

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    Sapele sometimes gets called African Mahogany by mistake. I believe true African Mahogany is Khayat. I have seen people try to pass off sapele as mahogany on Ebay, though.
     
  6. StratStringSlinger

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    Not sure about the species of wood but I noticed they are typically made of many pieces of wood glued together. However, they also sound really good. I say if you like it and it sounds good buy it.
     
  7. Jon Silberman

    Jon Silberman 10Q Jerry & Dickey Gold Supporting Member

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    Sapele looks like mahogany but it's there the resemblance ends. This sometimes gives sapele a bad rep but, in fact, it's a wonderful tonewood, just closer to maple than mahogany.

    Sapele
    Average Dried Weight: 42 lbs/ft3 (670 kg/m3)
    Specific Gravity (Basic, 12% MC): .50, .67
    Janka Hardness: 1,410 lbf (6,280 N)
    Modulus of Rupture: 15,930 lbf/in2 (109.9 MPa)
    Elastic Modulus: 1,746,000 lbf/in2 (12.04 GPa)
    Crushing Strength: 8,750 lbf/in2 (60.4 MPa)

    Hard Maple
    Average Dried Weight: 44 lbs/ft3 (705 kg/m3)
    Specific Gravity (Basic, 12% MC): .56, .71
    Janka Hardness: 1,450 lbf (6,450 N)
    Modulus of Rupture: 15,800 lbf/in2 (109.0 MPa)
    Elastic Modulus: 1,830,000 lbf/in2 (12.62 GPa)
    Crushing Strength: 7,830 lbf/in2 (54.0 MPa)

    Honduran Mahogany
    Average Dried Weight: 37 lbs/ft3 (590 kg/m3)
    Specific Gravity (Basic, 12% MC): .52, .59
    Janka Hardness: 900 lbf (4,020 N)
    Modulus of Rupture: 11,710 lbf/in2 (80.8 MPa)
    Elastic Modulus: 1,458,000 lbf/in2 (10.06 GPa)
    Crushing Strength: 6,760 lbf/in2 (46.6 MPa)

    http://www.wood-database.com/

    Here's the neck on my Philtone Jerrycaster. Sapele-maple-padauk-maple-sapele. These woods match up together wonderfully.

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    Interesting wood data. I have an ibanez rg520qs with a sapele body and I can't get any pickups to sound bad in it. In fact whatever pickups I drop into it sound better than any of my other guitars.

    I will say that sapele is very heavy.
     
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    mahogany is used as a loose term these days when it comes to import guitars. my guess is that the answer is no it isn't "real" mahogany but rather a wood that is known as "asian" mahogany or something similar. in any case it's not the same wood as gobson uses on it's amercian made guitars.
     
  10. Guitarworks

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    Would you like the guitar any less if you found out it wasn't real mahogany?
     
  11. wamba

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    Not really. I have always liked the mahogany/P90 sound though. I will grab this '56 Epi and still look for a LP Jr type guitar as well.
     
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    Even Gibson's is now grown in Fiji.
     
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    I worked in the music industry for over 20 years and am in negotiations on a new position.

    I have NEVER heard that one before! :D
     
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    I hear ya. But I'm no expert on woods. So, it was worth asking.

    The guitar plays and sounds fantastic. It now sits next to my other Epi LP.

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    I played one of these and was impressed with the playability, tone, and looks. I was pretty sure it was poplar sprayed with a dark toner. It didn't look like mahogany to me, but it didn't matter. Nice guitar.
     
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    It could be many things, need a pic. Phillipine "mahogany" is used by some, very cheap, much lighter and not mahogany of any type.
     
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    It's real mahogany. Probably sourced from a variety of places and they aren't buying the lightweight pieces with nice grain but it's mahogany.
     
  19. RayBarbeeMusic

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    No. Absolutely not.

    Either African khaya or some Asian species (agathis, etc.) that goes by the term "mahogany" in the furniture industry because it looks similar. Unfortunately, the guitar industry has adopted this nudge-nudge-wink-wink use of the word.

    The reason is that real mahogany is difficult to source, they want to conjure in your mind the tone of classic mahogany guitars (i.e. Gibson LP), and they know the words "khaya" and "agathis" will not accomplish this, so they use the furniture industry definition.
     

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