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Is the most important cable the one from guitar to 1st pedal or...

coolhand78

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...is your rig only as good as the 'worst' cable in your chain?

Just curious as i wanna get an evidence lyric hg to try out and am wondering if i need to buy them for my board to amps as well...
 

jbird

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There's advise on the Lava Cable site about cable priorities! And they do advise on staying with the same brand cable throughout the chain!
 

aziltz

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probably the one between guitar and pedals has the biggest effect, but with a good buffer, it shouldn''t make an enormous difference from pedals to amp.
 

StompBoxBlues

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I think it depends on the pedals, but definitely that the guitar->first (NON TB pedal) is the biggest.

The main thing, if you have no buffered pedals (ones that buffer when pedal is off) then it is happenstance...then all cables matter equally.

IF you had say guitar->TB fuzz->TB OD->buffered OD, etc.
then I think the most important cables are all up to the buffered OD.

The main thought here, the guitar pickup signals are high-impedance, and VERY weak signals, it's easy to lose signal, or frequencies in the signal as the signal is so weak. If the first pedal in your chain was a buffer (or like the SHO, when on) then the signal is most vulnerable TIL it hits that pedal, AFTER that it still matters but the signal is much "stronger" (not nec. much bigger, but the rest of the way you will get the signal intact better) and able to not be so influenced by cable capacitance, etc.

This is all general...

YMMV
 

coolhand78

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Interesting info... My first buffered pedal when running my clean tone is the rc booster which is always on... Before that i run thru my tuner, wah, 2 fuzzes, mojo vibe and compressor...

Would it be beneficial to move the rc booster to directly after the fuzzes?
 

StompBoxBlues

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Interesting info... My first buffered pedal when running my clean tone is the rc booster which is always on... Before that i run thru my tuner, wah, 2 fuzzes, mojo vibe and compressor...

Would it be beneficial to move the rc booster to directly after the fuzzes?
Yeah, I'd try it anyway...it can affect other pedals though...see what it sounds like?
 

CWK

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There's advise on the Lava Cable site about cable priorities! And they do advise on staying with the same brand cable throughout the chain!
Does this mean Lyric HG patch cables or would EA patch cables such as the Monorail suffice?
 

Brad J

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I had the same conundrum when purchasing my Lyric's, I figured that if I like the sound of the Lyric cable, why use a different cable on your board, or after a buffer?
If a cable changes the sound without a buffer, surely it still has some effect, though somewhat diminished, with a buffer?

Still don't have them on my board yet though!
 

coolhand78

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I couldnt use it on my board as the neutrik connectors are just too bulky..
i'd have to go to monorail or something similar... i move things around a lot
to so i do like the ease of solderless, but hopefully soon i'll have settled with my
pedals and i may go to a soldered cable if i can find ends that are similar in size to
the george l's...
 

puddinstone

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http://www.lavacable.com/buying.html

More info there...but here's a sneak peak:

Note: As a general rule, the best sonic results are obtained by using the same brand of cable from guitar to amp input.
FX Loop cables do not require high-end cables, although some customers have reported increased fidelity with their looped effects with a higher quality cable.
Mark's priority list for replacing cables:

  1. Guitar to amp or 1st pedal
  2. Last pedal to amp
  3. Pedals
  4. Amp head to speaker
  5. Internal cab wiring
 

norumba

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this is good info to have, and sort of confirmed what i was thinking instinctively... am running Mogami Golds from guitar to first pedal and for the stereo outs to the two amps; connecting between pedals ive had a mismatched array but will replace them all Mogami Silver.... eventually when i have budget i may rewire the board w/Lava, but for now this seems like a reasonable, mid budget approach.
 

Jon Silberman

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Now why am I not shocked that a guy selling cables would tell you, on his website that you visited out of interest in his products, that "the best results are obtained using the same brand of cable from guitar to amp input? :huh
 

TubeeTuberton

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Now why am I not shocked that a guy selling cables would tell you, on his website that you visited out of interest in his products, that "the best results are obtained using the same brand of cable from guitar to amp input? :huh
Exactly my thoughts. That doesn't stand out to anyone else I guess. Now, this is not saying it is not right but, just seems funny to me. Either way, I think the playing will show more than a cable but some cables are better than others, that is for sure. In my opinion, from guitar to first pedal I would think.
 

G'OlPeachPhan

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If that's the case (that you need to use the same brand of cable throughout your rig) then you're probably going to have to open up your true bypass pedals and rewire them so that the bypass wire in them is made of the same type of cable you're using elsewhere...
:munch
 

norumba

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just to clarify, lol, i went with Mogami silver not to match brand, but it simply seemed like a reputable cable at a good price :)
 
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try putting a buffer in your guitar. Then you hit the first cable at a low impedance. I did this and was blown away! I used a CAL Redeemer. My first cable is a mogami platinum. board is george l's. Next I'll put something sweet between board and amp. right now its a monster. I'd like to try the zaolla silverline. Also, I replaced my speaker cable and feel like this really made a difference.
 

landru64

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the cable from guitar to the next thing is the most obvious.

that said, i have heard massive differences when you rewire a pedalboard with a different wire. but one must also consider the differences between connectors as part of that.
 

lv

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lv

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...is your rig only as good as the 'worst' cable in your chain?

Just curious as i wanna get an evidence lyric hg to try out and am wondering if i need to buy them for my board to amps as well...
At one point I believed this, but after testing a lot of cables, to my ears it is proportional. I ran a van den Hul 15 footer into a true bypass box and then had a 2 foot Klotz going to the amp - not a huge difference.

That said, if you have multiple cables, I find that using the less preferable ones after a buffer can sometimes mitigate the differences.

Bottom line, I wouldn't worry about having the same brand. Play whatever sounds good that you can afford.
 

StompBoxBlues

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try putting a buffer in your guitar. Then you hit the first cable at a low impedance. I did this and was blown away! I used a CAL Redeemer. My first cable is a mogami platinum. board is george l's. Next I'll put something sweet between board and amp. right now its a monster. I'd like to try the zaolla silverline. Also, I replaced my speaker cable and feel like this really made a difference.
This messes with most fuzzes though....so if the person (at least the OP I think mentioned using fuzz) wants to use traditional fuzzes, it doesn't work well with it.
 




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