Is this possible?

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  1. jezzzz2003

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    I recently heard someone mention that solid state electronics will eventually reach a height where we can actually emulate an all tube amp.
    Knowing a little about how tubes actually work I naturally have my doubts and personally have a hard time dealing with such allogations.
    It cant be true.. can it?
     
  2. gulliver

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    IMHO the best tone can be had by a combination of the above, mostly through SS pedals with tube amps. When people talk about SS becoming as good as tubes, they're usually talking about digital technology (modeling, as they say). Personally, I'm happy with tubes and don't care if modeling can one day equal them. I would like to see digital technology go beyond tubes. Maybe not a tone for everyone, but I would like to see some really explosive digital effects offer tones we've not yet experienced. Of course, it would take a hit album using it to get the word out ... kind of like the early VH stuff and how it had a huge influence on the guitar tones of the '80s.
     
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    didnt trent reznor conquer the digital distortion tone?? hehe.
     
  4. Curt

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    In my opinion, as an electronics engineer, YES, if will happen. And soon.

    There will always be some, (and you'll hear from them on this thread), that will never accept them or will never believe that SS and or digital will get there. Those will be the ones who continue to pay $3K for an amp.
    That's ok, it took a long time for some to acccept the fact that the earth was round. :)
     
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    Guitar Rig is supposed to be just that software, with emulation of all sorts of gear (about everything you can imagine from amps, rack gear, pedals, speakers, etc...)... Google that, looks *impre$$ive*, not really for me though for personal and financial reasons. Would be fun as hell to mess around in, though, I bet. There is a full fledged foot controller as well.
     
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    Guitar Rig is a cool recording/jamming tool and it does sound great...for a modeller, but put it up against the real thing and the difference will be obvious.

    Of course, SS doesn't necessarily mean digital or digital modelling.

    My main problem with modelling and SS amps in general, for me, is not that they don't sound good, it's that they don't sound good all over the neck.
    Usually I can get a happening sound in the mid register but it doesn't carry over like a tube amp does.
    There seems to be a subtle, frequency dependent compression in tube amps that fattens up the high notes in a way that SS amps don't, especially with clean to low gain tones.

    I don't know what the causes this in tube amps, the output transformer maybe?
     
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    Guitar Rig is indeed IMPRESSIVE! to my ears, it blows any line 6 modeling stuff out of the water. i have used it with a Behringer midi foot controller with great results. there are a ton of very useable presets, and emulates just about any guitar effect you can think of very effectively.
     
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    I agree with Curt, but the questions of "if" and "how" become blurred. I think the manufactures will take perfectly good technology and blow it on Guitar Center junkie products that miss the mark ... at least in the short term.
     
  9. Curt

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    The original question had nothing to do with modeling amplifers. It was about a non tube amplifer emulating (to equal) the sound of *a* tube amp.
     
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    Anytime.
     
  12. Curt

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    (sigh)

    The original post mentioned nothing about modelers. It mentioned a solid state amplifier emulating (to equal) *A* tube amp.
     
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    It's easy to make predictions like that. I certainly haven't experienced any incremental improvements in modelling that would suggest that anyone's within striking distance of such a goal.

    I certainly wouldn't rule out a real breakthrough, but I have my own reasons for why I don't believe that's likely to happen:

    http://psg.com/~dlamkins/Articles/digital-amp-future.php?cat=musings
     
  14. Curt

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    (sigh)

    The original post mentioned NOTHING about modeling.
     
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    Interesting article,
    Just as I was thinking.
    There are too many factors involved in the tube amp circuit too accurately nail.
     
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    Okay:

    Modelling amps are NOT solid state. SS generally involves analog circuitry, while modelling amps (like the Line 6 Vetta) are nothing more than a computer.

    There are some brilliant computer engineers who believe that computers will one day be able to fool humans into thinking they're not computers, but lucid beings. Whether they're completely off the mark or not, convincingly simulating tube circuitry is child's play comparatively :moon
     
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    Check out Pritchard Amps, they are at the forefront of solid state technology without resorting to digital modeling.

    TheGrooveking
     
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    Sorry. However, my comments still apply. If you don't have a SS designer who understands vacuum tubes at a deep level, it's going to be difficult to accurately emulate the tube circuits.
     
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    Also, there's Blue Tone Amps in Britain.
     
  20. Curt

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    An electronics engineer (like myself) does not develope a guitar amplifer by emulating tube amp circuits. His job is to make a non-tube amp that sounds like a damn good guitar amplifier.
     

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