1. The Gear Page is run by musicians for musicians. We listen, we learn and if we misstep we are not afraid to do the right thing. We proposed some changes to the Emporiums. Based on feedback from members, we have decided to not go ahead with those changes. However, it has also highlighted that we need some community input into what is working and what is not working for members here. Primarily focused on the Emporiums, we'd like input on your thoughts about TGP and how things work in the Emporiums for you and how you'd improve them. The discussion thread on the is here!

    Dismiss Notice

Isnt it time women break the MLB barrier

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by 70 Mach 1, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. Whittlez

    Whittlez Member

    Messages:
    1,870
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2015
    Location:
    Seattlr
    And a softball is HARDER to hit an equivalent distance vs a baseball

    This has been established about 16 trillion times

    It’s why men’s softball fields don’t have 300 ft plus fences like baseball

    You are comparing two entirely different things
     
  2. Exiled_On_Main_St

    Exiled_On_Main_St Member

    Messages:
    3,845
    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2013
    Personally I think all sports should be open to multi gender applicants.

    If you’re good enough then you should be able to play at any level, regardless of gender.
     
    Floyd Eye likes this.
  3. Bankston

    Bankston Member

    Messages:
    14,002
    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2007
    Location:
    Houston
    Hell, I was out of baseball by the time I was 16. Couldn't catch up to higher velocities and was too much into learning to play guitar.

    Eri Yoshida is knuckleballer currently playing pro ball with an independent team in Japan.

    Kelsie Whitmore, Anna Kimbrell and Stacy Piagno played pro ball with an independent team here in the States.

    Sarah Hudek was a left handed pitcher who become the first woman to earn a scholarship to play collegiate ball, although it wasn't D-1. She transferred to Texas A&M to play softball.

    In 2015, French player Melissa Mayeux became the first woman ever added to MLB's international registration list at 16 years old. She transitioned to softball to play in college, but still played pro ball in France on a men's team.

    She's still eligible to get signed by an MLB team, so who knows? Could happen.

    It's not like every player in the Big Leagues is a 5 tool stud. There are specialists, some of whom can't field a position at that level, who are making millions in MLB.
     
    FiestaRed likes this.
  4. 2HBStrat

    2HBStrat Member

    Messages:
    37,490
    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Location:
    East of the Rockies...
    I'm okay with that...
     
    Exiled_On_Main_St likes this.
  5. John Hurtt

    John Hurtt Supporting Member

    Messages:
    17,020
    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Location:
    Northern California
    I disagree...and I think you are basing too much of your opinion on weight lifting and not enough on the sport of baseball.
     
    Slaphappy likes this.
  6. John Hurtt

    John Hurtt Supporting Member

    Messages:
    17,020
    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Location:
    Northern California
    I think that the aluminum bats and differences in velocity have something to do with it as well. Many a promising baseball career has been cut short when switching from aluminum bats to wood. Also, all MLB fields (and pretty much all professional fields on all levels) are much lengthier than 300 ft.
     
  7. Whittlez

    Whittlez Member

    Messages:
    1,870
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2015
    Location:
    Seattlr
    um, no

    We get elite athletes from TONS of sports (men and women) in our training center looking to improve their performance in their native sport so I get a VERY good idea of what elite tier men AND women can do. We get volleyballers, track and field athletes, baseball, softball, etc.

    these are not men and women looking to set records in weightlifting. they don't compete in it. they are looking to become the best in THEIR sport but we get a very very good and accurate idea of how powerful, strong etc. they are . force plates, jerks, etc.

    I also use programs similar to dartfish etc to measure their ability to accelerate a bar which gives some VERY useful data.

    Elite women are MUCH stronger and explosive than was predicted as even POSSIBLE a decade or two back and of COURSE they are not at men's levels, and never will be. Again, we are talking contact hitters in baseball, NOT a hammer thrower or a linebacker, etc. There is obviously a strong power/strength/explosiveness component but given some good #'s there, the variation in how good they are more often comes down to hand-eye coordination, proprioreception, reaction, speed, visual acuity etc to differentiate among the elite vs the not so elite.

    we've had excellent baseball players in (male). i know the kind of #'s an excellent contact hitter puts up.
     
  8. Whittlez

    Whittlez Member

    Messages:
    1,870
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2015
    Location:
    Seattlr
    no kidding, but again... in college baseball and in softball they both use aluminum bats. hint - SOFTBALLS do not fly nearly as far as baseballs. this is not arguable dude. softballs do not fly NEARLY as far as baseballs given the SAME force applied. aluminum bats, ceteris paribus, are an advantage. even GIVEN that softball is played with aluminum (just like college baseball), we do not see 450 ft homeruns *routinely* like we do in baseball. it's PHYSICS. when you are going for max distance, the #1 factor is air resistance. whether you look at extreme outliers (farthest baseballs vs softballs ever hit) or averages - baseballs fly farther.
     
  9. Whittlez

    Whittlez Member

    Messages:
    1,870
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2015
    Location:
    Seattlr
    the REASON we discriminate is because women can't compete with men in any sport remotely related to power, explosiveness, strength etc.

    If you open them up to everybody, you will have NO venue for women in elite tier sports.

    as for letting women compete in "male leagues", that's already NOT AN ISSUE. women are free to compete in MLB or NFL - if they are good enough.

    we discriminate AGAINST MEN not women. because MEN are better athletes.

    the WNBA is not going to allow men. NBA will allow women

    again, the BEST female olympic athletes wouldn't even be Mildly competitive vs. men

    look at the best 100 meter times, mile times, let alone sports like javelin, shotput etc (hint - women use a lighter shotput so it's not a 1:1 comparison).

    no woman would be even REMOTELY competitive in basketball.

    also, in sports where height is an advantage (basketball), over 6'11" men outnumber women over 1,000:1

    we discriminate. because we want to give woman a competitive venue to be athletes. otherwise, they would SOLELY be observers at the higher levels.
     
    newking70, Ryno1331 and bloodninja like this.
  10. Floyd Eye

    Floyd Eye Member

    Messages:
    12,918
    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2011
    Location:
    St. Louis, Mo.
    I don’t know how anyone could argue with this with a couple caveats.

    1). No special treatment or rules to accommodate females ( except shower and changing facilities. Possibly protective gear).

    2) No males or ex males in women’s sports.
     
  11. michael razor

    michael razor Member

    Messages:
    1,587
    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2013
    I'm still waiting for Women to break the Garbage Person Glass Ceiling.
    Of course they don't want the Crappy jobs. :D
     
    Tone_Terrific and Sidney Vicious like this.
  12. Exiled_On_Main_St

    Exiled_On_Main_St Member

    Messages:
    3,845
    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2013
    If this were the case you’d see women all over the NBA and NFL, and there are none. It’s a bit extreme to suggest that men are discriminated against in the sporting arena.

    As for your, ‘women can’t compete’ theory check out this film. Anything with Emma Stone it Steve Carrel is worth a watch anyway ;)



    This woman rocks!

    https://www.motorsport.com/wsbk/new...e-racing-first-female-world-champion/3186331/

    In many cases I feel that it’s literally just the opportunity from a young age that isn’t there for women. I see no real reason why a a female individual can’t make it into the higher echelons of most sports.

    @Floyd Eye I agree that the standard should never be lowered to accommodate anyone in sport. The best should always rise to the top.

    Have a great day :)

    If you’re talking about jobs where people get their hands dirty, most care givers, healthcare assistants, nurses etc are women. Cant get more ‘crappy’ than that. In the most literal sense. ;)
     
    Floyd Eye likes this.
  13. holden_caufield9

    holden_caufield9 Supporting Member

    Messages:
    1,034
    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    I’m surprised nobody has mentioned Andy Kaufman. Didn’t he prove that wimmen can’t wrassle?
     
  14. Exiled_On_Main_St

    Exiled_On_Main_St Member

    Messages:
    3,845
    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2013
    ;)
     
  15. zep41

    zep41 Member

    Messages:
    2,996
    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2007
    Parent to parent -- I think there are much more important things to focus on with regard to your 6 year old, rather than her "future" as a baseball player.
     
  16. ford

    ford Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Messages:
    13,114
    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2006
    Location:
    south of Houston, TX
    I have zero doubts it would be ok with most of the public... but they are simply at a big disadvantage strength wise.

    I've always felt it was going to be someone who could pitch.... especially if one learned a specialty pitch like the knuckleball.


    I say girls should play baseball over softball if they like it more. I've seen them be excellent players in little league.

    Once high school hits though the base strength of boys simply gives them advantage if athletic ability is relatively equal. The fastest boys will always be faster. The strongest boys will always be stronger.
     
  17. DewieCox

    DewieCox Supporting Member

    Messages:
    3,232
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2011
    Not saying it won’t happen but men are just naturally more gifted in the skills needed for baseball. She’d have to overcome a lot. Reflexes, strength, speed, recovery time... there are probably women that have the skills, but being able to compete at an elite level day in day out I’m not sure.



    And no, you can’t tell that a 6 year old has it in them to be an elite athlete. Kids develop different skills at different ages. Hell, even twice that age is practically impossible to gauge if you’re just watching them with no background info.
     
  18. Jon Silberman

    Jon Silberman 10Q Jerry & Dickey Gold Supporting Member

    Messages:
    37,390
    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2002
    Location:
    Northern VA
  19. Whittlez

    Whittlez Member

    Messages:
    1,870
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2015
    Location:
    Seattlr
    Miesha Tate (and Ronda Rousey) both admit they couldn’t compete against the top
    Men

    Are you allergic to facts?

    Women are free to try out for NFL and MLB berths

    Again - I’ve explained the scientific reasons why men are much better athletes and EVERY SINGLE OBJECTIVE sports record proves it - from sprinting to throwing to weightlifting etc

    And again - it’s possible a woman could qualify as a decent contact hitter in baseball or definitely as a junk ball hitter

    But nobody who knows the first thing about sports science and again I’ve been a competitive athlete and coach for three decades would argue that women are anywhere close to as good athletes as men again look at the objective numerical records at the world championships or the Olympics or anything like that and you will see that the very best women wouldn’t even be remotely competitive in the men’s divisions

    Marion Jones for example was a fantastic female sprinter but she ran roughly 1 second slower than the fastest men run which in a 100 m race is a huge deficit

    Yes but I’m sure it’s just the patriarchy and discrimination that is keeping women out of major-league baseball and NFL not the fact that they are inferior athletes (Rolls eyes)
     
  20. John Hurtt

    John Hurtt Supporting Member

    Messages:
    17,020
    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Location:
    Northern California
    I've also brought this up a couple times and you have neglected to answer...what are your BASEBALL qualifications that lead you to state women could make the MLB as either a contact hitter or a junk ball pitcher (you said "junk ball hitter" but I'm assuming you meant pitcher. Normally I would assume this is just your opinion but you are berating others and touting your professional expertise. So...what's your baseball cred? Been a hitting or pitching coach? Have some time in the bigs as a pitcher or hitter? Coached at an MLB level?
     

Share This Page