Isolation Boxes - What's The Best?

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  1. Electric I

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    No idea what brands/specs to consider.

    Please steer me in the right direction.
     
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    I intended to go that route once. The more research I did though, the less it seemed like anyone was really getting anything great (or even usable) from them. I think the physics of sealing a speaker in a box, regardless of insulation, mike placement, speaker used, etc. makes for a strange, boxy sound due to the sound waves bouncing around in there. I had an AxeTrak for a few weeks. Was OK for heavy dirt. Pretty unsatisfying overall. Sold it. The options I looked at were the AxeTrak, Demeter and Roland models. Again, they'll keep your sound mostly in the box, but as far as recording goes, doesn't seem to be a great solution.
     
  3. Riscchip

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    I've tried the Demeter and Randall. Currently have the Randall isolation. It's definitely difficult to get the same sound you get mic-ing a speaker in the room--maybe even impossible. It can sound somewhat congested (my experience was the same with the Demeter). I have better luck with a condenser mic than something like an SM57, and some EQ (which I do in post as I lack any kind of decent EQ unit for recording).

    I'm also no big recording brain. So I could be doing things all wrong. I know Ed D. has used the Demeter and his results sound excellent, as I recall.
     
  4. Electric I

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    Yessir. I haven't been happy with recording direct thus far, so I'm looking into alternatives.
     
  5. Electric I

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    Thanks for all the input so far.

    Maybe amp/attenuator/mic is the way to go?

    Any attenuator suggestions?
     
  6. Unburst

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    I rmember when Holdsworth was using iso boxes, he said the secret was to get a box big enough that the resonant frequencies that cause the boxiness are below the frequency range of the guitar and are easily eq'd out.
     
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    Ed DeGenaro (of THD) uses the Demeter cabs & has posted some very good clips of it.

    Maybe he'll chime in or you could PM him.

    It looks like the best option for me, but new, they're a little pricey & used,they STAY pricey.

    I found some plans online for building one....if that's an option for ya'.
     
  8. Electric I

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    Makes sense. Thanks for that.
     
  9. Electric I

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    Options continue to grow. I thank you.
     
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    A big house on about 5 acres of land and lots of trees between you and your neighbors.

    yes, I wish I had that, too.
     
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    What gear do you suggest for such a setup, John?
     
  12. Electric I

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    Various od / dist / eq / cab sim boxes into a boss br-864. Not exactly a pro setup, I know, but it's been serviceable for demo purposes. I'm actually looking to upgrade all links of the chain. Staying away from computer/sotware, though.


    Definitely under consideration. Any specific recommendations?
     
  13. Electric I

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    Heheh... that'd be ideal.
     
  14. LReese

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    I'm very interested in this thread. I have a Demeter and I'm not very happy with it. It is better than a MASS/Hotplate and a Palmer PDI-09. Maybe I don't have it set up right.

    5 acres and a huge house/trees is not enough, been there, done that...:roll

    The vocalbooth cab box sounds promising, but pricey...
     
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    This is a great suggestion, a loaded amp DI'd into Guitar Rig running speaker cabs works very well.
     
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    The best Isolation box I have used is one of these:

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  17. PUCKBOY99

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    What is it about the Demeter you don't like?

    I've wanted one for a while, but haven't found the right deal just yet.

    Someone sold one here on TGP not long ago, but I still think $600 + used is a bit much.

    I use a Weber MASS & have had good & bad results with it:crazy :confused: :messedup
     
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    It is kind of choked sounding (think this is what is defined as boxy - not sure). I find the mic gooseneck very difficult to put into position. I just broke mine. I'm using a Weber 1230 55HZ with various amps. Micing with a SM-57 into a Firebox.

    Part of the equation is user error. I'm sure an experienced person can get a lot better results.

    I figure if I set my mind to it, I could make a better and more effective enclosure.
     
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    Thanks ! :BEER

    I don't recall where I saw the plans for building your own. Some DIY site, but I'm sure it wouldn't be overly hard.

    I might try to track that down & maybe give it a shot.
     
  20. Luke

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    I built one that sounds great. Pathagreon's (sp?) says the box has to 1.6x the height in width, and 2.6x the height in length.

    I use 6" acoustical foam on the end receiving the volume load, and 2" everywhere else. I left the floor raw concrete to give a little bounce. On the receiving end I also put two 12" round bass trap foam columns, floor to ceiling.

    I housed a Bogner 4x12 so my box's internal dimensions are 40" tall, 64" wide and 104" in length.
     

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