Not trolling but just finding this ironic. I picked up a old PV C30..1st generation with backward lettering and the plain black pre-Blue Marvel label speaker.. Currently I have my 68' Twin and this PV, same two amps I had 15 years ago.. I just returned a Lunchbox which was actually very cool but just felt to solid state "stiff" to me and I couldn't adapt to it. My Rebel 30 is in the shop and will probably get sold when I get it back. In between there have been tons of amps.. I think I'm going to keep this pair going forward, just works for me.. Just funny thinking I could have stopped years ago and been at the same point.