Jimmy Page tone in this video?

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  1. bonchie123

    bonchie123 Supporting Member

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la42R5MX_PE

    Go to 4:45 for the clearest example.

    I think he's using Marshall 100watt superleads in this video. It also sounds like some kind of echo or reverb (which could just be natural) on it.

    I tried a V1 DLS and it didn't really do it for me. Any other suggestions for that quacky type tone you hear specifically at the given time stamp? Reasonable prices only please.
     
  2. The Whale

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    I think JPP used an echoplex of some sort with a very quick slapback delay at this point. I can get a similar sound by using the tape-echo on the Line 6 DL-4 into my Budda Superdrive. I even run it in front of the amp to get that compression. Almost functions like a doubler and a reverb unit. I'm not a pagey-purist though. There are others who could help with more authentic detail.

    As far as the overdrives are concerned, the DLS is a great pedal of marshally tone. I still keep coming back to my Barber Direct Drive. It's not a faithful marshall-in-a-box, but it can do everything that in low-mid gain marshall land without complaining. The DLS, while an awesome pedal, couldn't knock the direct drive off my board.
     
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    Get a Gibson T Top pickup and put it in the bridge position. JP used one at this point and it helps to get the quacky sound you refer to when you play in the middle position.

    JP's TSRTS DVD Signal Path= LP>Wah>EP-3 Echoplex>Marshall
     
  4. 250k

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    Don't forget to factor in all of the other mics on stage that were picking up his guitar. (drums and Vocal) And don't forget the room sound at Madison Square garden!
     
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    Well, its obvious now that to get Page's live tone...

    We need a pedal that emulates vocal and drum microphones picking up ambient guitar sound, with a knob to change the room size reverb amount, and with a switch to select between mic types. Digitech will make one that can filter in crowd noise and applause.
     
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    I don't hear any effects, just vibrato coming from his fingers and kind of a choppy picking style.
     
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    Who said their were effects (besides perhaps an echoplex set to a subtle slapback)?

    The thread is about the drive tone.
     
  8. GCDEF

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    You asked how to get the tone, which usually encompasses effects too. You also mentioned echo and reverb, which are effects. Drive is also an effect.

    I don't even hear delay. All I hear is LP, Marshall and fingers.
     
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    And massive Volume, which doesn't remotely come across on youtube or the dvds. We just get the righteous tone.

    Page was playing Loud -through one or two 100 watt marahslls cranked with enough volume to get them to nicely overdrive in Madison Square Garden, filling the arena with maybe a little help from the PA.

    In those days the PA mainly had Plant's voice and some drums in it. The guitar and bass sound came from those big loud 'arena amps' on the stage. Acoustic 360s for JPJ, Marshalls and an Orange (for the theremin?) for Page.

    You simply can't play that loud in many situations anymore.

    A lot of what we talk about on these types of threads is how to get those classic 'cranked 100 watt stack' tones at volume levels people and clubs will accept in 2009.

    Thus smaller amps and various pedals usually get suggested.
     
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    Actually Page's Marshalls had 5000pF bright caps on them which made them distort earlier so he only turned them up to about 4.
     
  11. bonchie123

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    You are stating the obvious and I'm not sure why.

    Everyone in this thread knows he's not using a drive pedal and it's a Marshall 1959SLP in the video. The question was what drive pedal emulates that tone the best at reasonable volumes.

    Their is most likely an echoplex at work in that video as well as it was part of his rig and you can hear the echo at the given time in the video.
     
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    THE tone comes from his fingers.No matter what amp he plays he sounds like classic Page.
     
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    I don't see the question phrased anything like that in the OP. All he asks is how to get that tone and he specifically mentions delay, reverb and an OD pedal, none of which Page seems to be using on that song. No mention of volume was made in the post.
     
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    PAs had evolved past that point by the time Led Zeppelin was playing Madison Square Gardens. My first big concert was in 1972 and they were micing everything way back then.
     
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    This is the effects board. It's a given that the question is how to get that tone (or close too it within reason) in relation to modern effects/overdrive pedals. Not get it with his actual setup (I'd go the Amps and Cabs board if I wanted to know about that).

    The mention of the echo/reverb was just a secondary observation. It's known that he used an echoplex for slapback live all during that era and theres definantly some ambience when things quiet down during the solo. I noted that it could just be natural.

    Can we get back on topic now? There are dozens and dozens of JTM/Plexi style pedals out there designed to emulate this stuff. I was looking for some guidance on which ones do a convincing 1959SLP sound like in the video.
     
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    I haven't heard a pedal do this sound...at all. I'd like to though!

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    Sounds like they are mixing this track from at least two different mics. There is a distinct close sound at certain times and more of a stage sound at other times.
     
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    Shouldn`t this be in the fingers forum? :stir
     
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    I saw the title of this thread and immediately figured out that it was "Since I've Been Loving You" from The Song Remains The Same
     
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    I just got a purple plexi yesterday and through my Marshall 100JH I am getting some nice Page tones at low volumes. Its not exactly what you want, but still nice. I have to adjust the amp settings from where I usually play at (v8 - 10). I am using a 72 Les Paul Black Beauty with a fair amount of custom work on it, one thing is the push pull pots which I use a lot when playing J. Page.

    Really though that YT is just a Marshall cranked with a nice Les Paul, I dont really hear anything else. I get beautiful Page sounds when I turn my up to 8 or more on the volume.
     
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    Its probably a cleaner tone than you would think, as far as drive goes. Pickup selector in the middle position with the volume knobs at different levels, but not past 7. Could be some push from an echoplex, but with a uber short delay time. But then again, I'm only guessing. You probably need a finger/soul transplant to really nail it.
     

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