Joe Zawinul Coaching/Scolding Scott Henderson on Playing Bebop Licks

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  1. Lucidology

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    A Scott Henderson Quote:

     
  2. Flyin' Brian

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    Although Cannonball Adderley was a stone bebop player, I wouldn't call a lot of what Joe did with him (prior to Weather Report) "straight bebop".

    I LOVE this:



    This ain't bad either:

     
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    miles basically told scofield the same thing when sco was in miles' band. he wanted john to play like eddie van halen. haha!
     
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    So Joe wanted Scott to replace one tradition (bebop) with another (blues) in his playing. Hey, I dig it.

    I, too, like hearing bebop lines played by actual living musicians. I think it's weird that every note in jazz has to be a revolutionary, never before attempted act of "moving forward", whatever that is.

    I'm almost embarrassed to play a nice song anymore. Maybe I should play I'm Old Fashioned straight but light myself on fire.
     
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    Once recall Scott talking about how he would play a Bebop/Jazz lick clean in his classes and not get much reaction from students.
    Then he'd play the very same lick with some grit or distortion on it and everybody wanted to learn it ... :)
     
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    I can completely understand this. I think Joe worked really hard to take his music away from that whole type of harmony and he was simply coaching his player on what he wanted him to do.

    It got cool again when Paul Motian started his Electric Bebop Band. That is some killer stuff to listen to.
     
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    I think it was that recording Varney did of Holdsworth and Gambale, but I recall transcribing some of it and there were one or two places where holdsworth was just playing an old school parker lick without the swing and ultra fast. Thought that was interesting.
     
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    Sometimes Bebop can sound academic. The guys who came up with that style were seriously into harmony and structure. They were playing music that was intentionally complicated.
    I think Zawinul was moving into musical soundscapes. Just listen to Black Market.
    I think he wanted the players to add to that, rather than just play badass solos that were technically correct.
     
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    We've heard that kind of thing from Joe before. That's cool, but I like bebop.
     
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    Miles also told Sco to lay off playing the #11 so much ...
    That that was hip way before he was born ...(to paraphrase... :))
     
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    Joe programmed some his keyboards so they were backwards, high notes on the left and low notes on the right, so he wouldn't play the same old same old. Look at the Live in Montreux footage.
     
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    Listen to the first WR album.
     
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    I'm very familiar with Weather Report.
    This thread is about the Zawinul Syndicate. That's the band Henderson played in.
    Weather Report's first album was in 1971.
    Zawinul was in a completely different space then.
     
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    Bebop. I hate it.

    Relevant:
     
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    He was breaking down old walls.
     
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    Wow ... was hoping to wish I could say that was funny ...
    but it so wasn't ....
     
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    The Mighty Boosh is an acquired taste.
     
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    Completely off topic, but I can't help myself following the clip above. It's 10 minutes, and I promise that if you're not willing to commit 7 minutes to it, don't bother, you'll hate it.

     
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    Love Old Greg!

    Although this is more on topic

    Jazz Club
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TebUMhJAKSM
     
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    No kidding ... never heard of that before ...
     

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