Kaden Brown Creeper Vs CMATMODS Brownie

Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by ahltarocka, Feb 15, 2008.

  1. ahltarocka

    ahltarocka Supporting Member

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    Can anyone tell me if there is a difference between the Kaden Brown Creeper and Cmatmods Brownie? I know that they both are licensed and contain BSIAB II. Is one more articulate then the other? is there any difference in sound? I am looking for a pedal for JCM800 sound to use mostly with chords and I want something that will clealy define each note so they are not muddy. I am using a Strat Plus with Dimarzio Pup into a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe. These are basically the 2 contenders although I may consider the Jetter Gain Stage Black ( a bit expensive).


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  2. gearboy

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    I've never played the Brownie, but I have a Creeper for sale right now. It really is one of the best 'modded Marshall' pedals I have played. Very articulate and well built. I'm selling it because I'm using my amp's distortion these days.
     
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    I believe the Creeper comes stock with all medium gain transistors (2n5457) while the Brownie is built exactly to the original spec using 3 medium gain and 2 hi gain (J201). So the Creeper should have slightly less gain and be a bit more dynamic.

    That said, I ordered my brownie with all 2n5457 trannies and CMATMOD graciously socketed them all so I could swap them out for different ones. I found that even with all med gainers the Brownie was too compressed for anything but searing leads. In this respect it was almost like a big muff (in terms of sustain - the voicing and texture are marshall all the way) but much more articulate.

    So I swapped in 2 radio shark MPF102's (lower gain) and the pedal opened up considerably. The only downside is that it has less sustain and doesn't feedback on command like it did before but I find the pedal much more versatile in its current configuration.
     
  4. ahltarocka

    ahltarocka Supporting Member

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    So for what I am looking for and the fact that I am not oriented towards doing my own modding. Do you suggest that I get the Creeper or order the Brownie with certain specifications for chord work.

    Thanks for your input!!
     
  5. fr8_trane

    fr8_trane Supporting Member

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    The Brownie is cheaper than the creeper and CMATMods was great to work with in terms of building me a slightly modded pedal.

    I would contact CMATMODS and see if he would build you a pedal with 2 mpf102's (Q1 and Q2) and 3 2n5457's. If he sockets them you can swap the trannies for whatever you like without having to solder. You might even ask him to include 2 extra 2n5457's for an extra buck or 2 so you can see for yourself.

    I wrapped up the 2 original transistors and keep them inside my brownie just in case I want to experiment with higher gain again.
     
  6. ahltarocka

    ahltarocka Supporting Member

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    Thanks for your input, it is much appreciated. I will contact Chad.
     
  7. Benlevy

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    I tried the Brown Creeper and sent it back. It was thin, fake sounding distortion. Just awful.
     
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    You guys know that if you change Q5, you have to re-bias it don't you ?
     
  9. fr8_trane

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    Yes. But I didn't mess with Q5. I only replaced Q1 and Q2 with MPF102's.
     

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