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Kemper - performance mode questions, how does it work?

Clifford-D

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So far the Kemper manuals seem to leave me scratching my head. Like they assume that I understand computers enough =/

My big question is, how do I put browse mode rigs in the performance mode?
I have not seen this "get rig" soft button that the manual talks about. When I switch to Performance mode I see two soft buttons that say "arrange slots" and "arrange perf", that's it.

The manual doesn't say "do this first, then do this second" or "push this button first",,, so I push buttons of all sorts with no luck finding the"get rigs" soft button. and I am in performance mode when doing all this,,,
I know this is easy but,, man, do I feel dumb. Please set me straight.

thanks, Cliff
 

Bikedude

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So far the Kemper manuals seem to leave me scratching my head. Like they assume that I understand computers enough =/

My big question is, how do I put browse mode rigs in the performance mode?
I have not seen this "get rig" soft button that the manual talks about. When I switch to Performance mode I see two soft buttons that say "arrange slots" and "arrange perf", that's it.

The manual doesn't say "do this first, then do this second" or "push this button first",,, so I push buttons of all sorts with no luck finding the"get rigs" soft button. and I am in performance mode when doing all this,,,
I know this is easy but,, man, do I feel dumb. Please set me straight.

thanks, Cliff

I'm in the same place. Manuals don't really explain things well. I've managed to get some slots loaded thru hit and miss. If you go to the perf. Mode, then use the rig buttons, you get to slots. Once there turn the browse button until u see an amp u like, then a load will sho up under a soft button, hit that and that amp is now in the rig slot. You can tweek from there, and as far as naming rigs and organizing, I'm still in a fog 2 weeks in.
 

Clifford-D

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My problem is that when I go to performance mode I do not see any rig buttons =/

I mean I see the rig button next to the system button but that's not a soft button and I'm looking for a soft button that says "get rigs"
 

MacOSatch

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I do not understand what you exactly mean.
The performance mode is pretty easy, each performance has 5 slots.
You can navigate through the performances with the "arrows cross" up and down.
Between the slots in the performance with left-right.

When you are in the slot, you can turn the browse knot (right up from the screen) and choose the rig that you want to use. When you change some settings (stomp on/off, eq ...) it will be saved in this performance but the original rig (that you would play in browser mode) stays unchanged.

Save the performance with "store".
 

Clifford-D

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Thank you Mac, I was able to do what you said. Never saw the "get rigs" soft button.

The problem I had was with this Two Rock profile that was bought at TAF by the person before me, I have a used Kemper. This is a great profile, in fact there are around seven snapshots of different settings all in the browser mode. BUT, it doesn't show up in the performance mode with the browse knob. This is the block that confused me.

How can I get the TAF Two Rock profiles in my performance browser?
 

ur2funky

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????

It's no different than using the Browser mode....turn the Browse knob...if you don't see the patch you want, you have to change the collection of patches your viewing with the left soft button.

Same as Browser mode
 

Play by Tone

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So, I'm quite adept at computers, and technology in general. I am however, a stickler for intuitive UX, and the Kemper doesn't impress me in this regard. At least it sounds great!

I'm sure its just a case of it not doing what I expect it to be doing. I agree with the others, the manual isn't very clear. I was trying to find a youtube video of someone going through the Performance mode. That would help a lot.
 

db9091

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I don't know if it's a bug or not, but basically you go to PERFORMANCE.
Then you choose the slot with the ARROW keys < >
Then you BROWSE to the profile you want. Then hit EXIT back.
Then if you want to keep it, STORE the performance.

The slot should have the name of the profile when you select it and hit EXIT.
Sometimes, not always, it doesn't. Happens about once every 5 times for me.
So then after BROWSE choose: Slot Settings->Rename Slot
Then EXIT.

It now has the performance settings. The performance is always selected, but sometimes the name has to be "forced" to be set correctly.

Hope that helps.
 
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jazzfromhell

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So, I'm quite adept at computers, and technology in general. I am however, a stickler for intuitive UX, and the Kemper doesn't impress me in this regard. At least it sounds great!

I'm sure its just a case of it not doing what I expect it to be doing. I agree with the others, the manual isn't very clear. I was trying to find a youtube video of someone going through the Performance mode. That would help a lot.
db9091 posted a great answer. Is there anything else you're not getting out of Performance Mode or did his reply cover it? I just bought my KPA about a month ago and I have no problems getting into the workflow of this unit, and I'm not a technical guy at all.
 

Play by Tone

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I'm not in front of it, but re: the slots...

Slots would be similar to different parts of a song, if this is how I wanted to use it correct?

I would set up a Song, and then program a number of slots for different parts of the song, right? I know I was having issues getting it to save what I wanted. I will look over db9091's post.

It could be the case of that if you don't have an expectation of how it should work, its easier for you to pick up on it, because you're not having to deprogram yourself. I use to see this all the time in technical trainings, those with no experience were able to adapt to another platform quicker than those who already had experience with a different platform...
 

Play by Tone

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I just want to try to use this impressive MasterMind GT with the Kemper. I have been running my pedalboard in front of it, which works fine, but I'm missing out on a lot of the amp. So if I can start programming songs in, that would be nice.

Most of my "slots" would consist of the same or similar Rigs, but with different stomps/mods.
 

db9091

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I didn't care for Avid's 11R's interface but have found the VOX's, Line6's, Boss's, Kemper's and Fractal's unit interfaces to be very well thought out and intuitive. The Kemper may go overboard with UI and having so many knobs and colors and LEDs even, but every interface is unique. Because of that, some will find it easier than others. Perhaps some are more methodical and so the manual and forums will be helpful. Others, like me, are adventurous (read: impatient) and like the discovery of "winging it" with it's trial, error and solutions by accident! (how's that for rationalization! ;)

I think it's different for different people.

So there is no right or wrong; just getting used to something new.
 

Viabcroce

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Rig Manager is a great way to populate performances as well :)


Slots would be similar to different parts of a song, if this is how I wanted to use it correct?
The good news is that you're free to do with performances whatever you like :)

For example, some songs do not require more that 1-2 sounds, so they share the same performance on my Profiler. Other performances are devoted to "Makassar [one of my guitars] Cleans", or "MBritt Cleans"... and so no.
Use your fantasy... and follow your wishes :)
 

jazzfromhell

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Ive got performances arranged after the bands I play in. I usually have no more than 5 presets/rigs that I use per night anyway, so that fits into one Performance. Sometimes I have more but then I just use Bank Up/Down to access another Performance.

I have the Uno4Kemper FBC so in slots 1 - 5 I have: clean, ever-so-slight dirt, AC/DC-ish OD, distortion, and Lead tone.
The stomps I have layed out like this: delay, OD, mod, volume boost, and wah/compressor.
 

jazzfromhell

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How is Rig Manger used for performances and slots?
If you switch to Performance Mode on your Kemper then you automatically end up on the first slot. To choose a rig for that slot make sure the "Slot Enabled" box in the upper right corner of the KPA screen is ticked. Now, if you have Rig Manager running you just double-click on a rig and then its loaded into that slot. If you have Instant Preview selected in RM preferences you can browse/load new rigs using the arrow keys up/down on your keyboard.

When youre happy with that slot you move to the next using the Left/Right buttons in your Rig "arrow-cross" on your KPA and then you repeat the process.

Dont forget to store!
 
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Play by Tone

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Ok, so I just load the profile while I have that slot selected. I wish I could mange these things from RM. Having to enter names all from the rotary encoder sucks. And theres no way to do any of this with effects, correct?

Is there a way to erase all the performance slots? I removed everything from my KPA except the profiles I used in Browse mode...
 

jazzfromhell

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Ok, so I just load the profile while I have that slot selected. I wish I could mange these things from RM. Having to enter names all from the rotary encoder sucks. And theres no way to do any of this with effects, correct?
You CAN do these things from RM. But no, not the effects afaik.

Here´s how:

- Switch to Performance Mode on the KPA, and select a performance, say #14, and then choose which slot you want to put a rig into. You do this with the Rig arrow keys on the KPA. The one you choose is highlighted in black.
- Open Rig Manager. In the inspector to the left you have All Rigs, Local Library and MyProfiler. If youre connected to Rig Exchange (Preferences > Rig Exchange) then that will show up there too. Lets say you choose MyProfiler.
- You can now just browse through the list of profiles. Then you just double click on a rig/profile in RM and that will pop into your Kemper in the chosen slot.
- If you have Instant Preview selected (Preferences > General) then you dont even have to double-click, you just scroll up/down with the arrow keys on your keyboard.
- When youre happy with a slot, move to the next using the Rig left/right arrows on the KPA.
- Dont forget to Store! Also, if the slot has name you dont like, press Arrange Slots > Rename slot. There you either type in a new name or press Use Rig Name.

A helpful tip that I discovered today: if you right-click on Local Library in the RM inspector to the left, you can create sub menus and you can sort your favorite rigs and put them in different categories. Maybe one for cleans, distorted, Strat, Humbucker, or by band or whatever. Awesome. Also a great place to have a backup of all your rigs.


Is there a way to erase all the performance slots? I removed everything from my KPA except the profiles I used in Browse mode...
Not that I know of, no. Maybe others can chime in here?
 






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