Kemper users: FRFR or guitar cabinet?

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  1. green72

    green72 Member

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    I'm thinking of going Kemper, but not sure which route.

    It'd be cool to go powered and then get a guitar cab and passive FRFR,

    or, go non-powered and get one of these:
    http://missionengineering.com/?product=gemini-1-2

    It's supposed to give you an FRFR and a guitar cab just by turning a knob. Not sure if I want to plunk down that much money for a 1x12 to find out if it actually works.


    So basically my question is this: Do you Kemper owners prefer FRFR or a real guitar cab, or both?
     
  2. jzucker

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    I like the sound of my guitar cab but when using it, all my profiles have a similarity that is not there when I use the FRFR. Also, using the FRFR there is none of the bright, directional ice-pick-in-the-ear thing you get when standing too close to your guitar cab. And finally, it's nice to be able to do things like model a 10w or 15w speaker through the FRFR.
     
  3. green72

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    So you like both, or prefer the FRFR?
     
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    I think if I was in a blues band I'd probably prefer a tube power amp and open back cabs but for everything else the FRFR is much preferable and the FRFR sounds pretty great for blues stuff too.
     
  5. RLD

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    KPA through CLR is the best result I've experienced.
    I've tried tube amps, cabs and other FRFR's.
    I also prefer a floor wedge pointed at my head as opposed to a cab at my knees.
     
  6. SkyhighRocks

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    I've used both live and prefer a traditional guitar cab. I just used to that feel and sound. I never liked the sound of any guitar aimed at my ears. Always sound buzzy and thin. I prefer the sound to be spread out and wide.
     
  7. green72

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    You're using the powered kemper through a passive CLR wedge? Which CLR wedge?
     
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    I've been using a Bose Compact L1 with my Kemper. I already had the Bose and it really works well IMO. The advantage is that it has a 180 degree sound spread. It really is good wherever I stand or sit in front and everyone else in the band can hear it clearly also. Using for stage monitoring , the volume is controlled and FOH still sounds great. Again , it was equipment I already had and also had other options, but it seems to work great.
     
  9. RLD

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    Cause that's what it sounds like?
    Mine sounds great pointed at my ears because...that's what it sounds like. :)
     
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    No.
    KPA Rack (non powered) with active CLR wedge.
     
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    Both... At the same time
     
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    how can you do both at the same time? You are using cabinet modeling and then also using a guitar cab?
     
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    This! I have my CLR pointing at me in front of me, used as a monitor.
     
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    I actually have a Power Rack and am looking at a Mission Passive cab.

    It definitely sound much more pure through my monitors but not bad through my 4x12 either! :beer

    Come by for a test ride.

    Wedewer runs his through a CLR .... Kick the Dog Band local
     
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    Yours would probably sound thin and buzzy to me too. It's just the way I hear guitar up close. I like to have distance from the sound and get some of the room in there too.
     
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    I also like to use the 'full' studio profile on (studio) monitors and a 1x12 cabinet on the powered out without the cabinet portion of the profile sometimes.
    (this can be set with a soft knob in the OUTPUT menu)

    It's quite satisfying :D
    very in-the-room, immersive, 3D, whatever you want to call it.
     
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    My main rig is a Lunchbox with 2 active CLRs. But I also owned a great Dragoon 2x12" (Celestion Century), so I looked for a not expensive retrofit power amp in order to have more versatility. Sounds great, but I prefer the CLR. Not because the Profiler doesn't sounds good through a guitar cab, but because I have enough of how guitar cabs sound in general :)
    It's nice to have the possibility to gig with a rig which is less that 25 kg (guitar included) at times tho :D
     
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    Quite easily. My main outs go to a snake, the FOH runs my signal to my Yamaha dxr 12's up in front of me. My monitor out goes to a 2x12, simple as that.
     
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    With the upcoming firmware (3.0 now public beta) there are more options. With the ability to profile amps and cabs separately you should get very close to the orginal sound through a real cab for amp-profiles that matches that cabs characteristics. For example profiles of Mesa heads into a real Mesa cab.

    A cab that excels for distorted sounds will never sparkle as one opimised for cleans, but there are workarounds for that too. You can combine a poweramp with a multiband EQ to flatten the frequency-response of a non-linear guitar-cab and make it work almost as a FR-cab for a modeller.

    A good FR amp/cab is still the most versatile solution for a modeller though.
     
  20. sugarlou

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    I'm experimenting with both simultaneously.

    A CLR with cabs on set on top of a single 12 EVM cab with cabs off. Then a send to FOH from the CLR

    It's a pretty powerful rig. I posted a pic /Thread here somewhere.

    Of course this is my cover band rig!
     

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