Kiesel Sends Cease & Desist to Harley Benton

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  1. indeedido

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    They didn't invent the Strat or the headless design. They put them together. Wow, they are pioneers! Maybe if I put a headless neck on (insert guitar here) I can....nah I don't really care, just bustin' your balls. No horse in this race. :bonk:drink:console
     
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  2. twinrider1

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    Ehh, not a lawyer and haven't read the exact wording of the letter, but I don't think Kiesel has a case.

    I get why they sent it. You go to the trouble of getting a patent, trademark, etc and want to keep it, you have to try to defend it.

    But headless has been around for decades. And I would treat a scallop at the tail like they treat the shapes of headstocks. The function is common and open to everyone, but the shape can't be the same. HB's is different enough.
     
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  3. ArtDecade

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    A headless super-strat? If only Steinberger had gotten there first... What?! You mean Gibson owns Steinberger?
    Sounds like Gibson needs to send Kiesel and Harley Benton a Cease And Desist.

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  4. CjRuckus

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    So they are profling guitars like Kemper?
     
  5. lizardking

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    So, someone made a copy of a copy of a shelved guitar?
     
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  6. Alexa run my life

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    If it even has one ;)
     
  7. jwguitar

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    Gibson really opened a can of worms within the guitar industry with all these frivolous lawsuits. Whatever happened to who ever makes the best guitar wins? I mean when headless guitars started Steinberger, to my knowledge, they did not sue Kramer and Washburn. They did get smart though with licensing their bridges out to Hohner and Cort later on.
     
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  8. jwguitar

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    I believe Nissan was the first to start that design in the early 2000's. Now its like the standard shape.
     
  9. nowhere

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    You understand how a design patent works and how it differs from functional patents and trademarks! That makes two of us at least...
     
  10. 108

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    Kiesel is a garbage company. This is not a surprise.
     
  11. Slapshot1977

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    They have to protect their IP. Makes sense to me. Gibson, on the other hand, didn’t do that for decades and then on a whim tried to start enforcing it. Too late, chump.
     
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    FWIW, my HB Dullahan won't fit in my headless Kiesel bag, it's a wee bit too big. I originally thought of calling and asking if it would fit - thinking the Osiris had it's own bag (not true), but now I'm glad I tried it myself first.

    On first blush, I was more struck by the similarities of the headpiece, the locks on it, and the bridge, with Strandberg's designs.

    I hope Jeff K. isn't working customs next week when the second HBD I ordered comes through.
     
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  13. Baron Waterpark

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    The Harley Benton looks just like a super-strat without a head, neither of which are Kiesel patents. Once again Jeff Kiesel proves how tasteless and attention seeking he is. I will never buy one of his ugly guitars.
     
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  14. Baron Waterpark

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    Oh I'm sure they did, they design the ugliest guitars possible which does count as novel, in a way.
     
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  15. VintagePlayerStrat

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    Hate to say I told ya so but ...
     
  16. customguitars87

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    You missed the part where HB's guitar looks exactly like Kiesel's with different hardware, whereas Kiesel's guitars look nothing like Gibson's ;).
     
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    You're 100% correct, ALL of these companies are getting & even worse taking seriously bad advice! This is business 101 first year of business school I have no clue what I'm doing but these guys are wearing suits so they must be smart.

    I have no idea who these guys are but I hope they have bottomless pockets because Gibson & Fender do, these guys are building pretty much exact copies of LP's, Jr's, Strat's & Tele's. Gibson has no shot against dean but they have a great chance of upending these amateurs.

    If you walk past a rattlesnake keep walking don't get a stick & poke it!

     
  18. GreatSatan

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    well keisel, unlike gibson, intend to maintain a steady history of protecting their copyrite, which is something you actually have to do if you ever want to enforce a patent (& it just so happens that keisel patented headless strats).
    Gibson have been somewhat inconsistent maintaining it these last few decades, though i believe they won on the headstock.
     
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  19. Stinky Kitty

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    I'm surprised Jeff had time to even notice, what with the hours it must require to come up with new and innovative designs. o_O
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    Moving beyond the obvious comparison to Knagg's Severn, when it comes to a front body cavity for a bridge, Jackson would like to welcome Kiesel to the year 1988.
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  20. Hoodoo Man

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    I'm no law scientist but surely Harley Benton could argue "prior art". It's one thing getting a design past a patent clerk, another if it will stand up in court.
     

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