Kiesel Sends Cease & Desist to Harley Benton

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  1. Ed DeGenaro

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    I'm talking the money they have...
     
  2. Cymbaline

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    At least Kiesel isn't waiting 40 years to get around to making copyright claims.
     
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    Does that mean lawyers are no longer part of the human race?
     
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    Here's the theme song for this case:
     
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    Is it possible that they all came to this shape and wheelbase due to things like aerodynamics, being AWD needing room for a drivetrain, seats 5-7, certain sized motor to get decent fuel economy for all of those demands. Well guess what, thats a huge market and the manufacturers are going to offer the best sum of all parts.

    Just like a guitar manufacturer.
     
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    internet commenters are acting like internet commenters? Why is this something we're all so shocked and outraged by?
     
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  7. Rahwana Putih

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    Knaggs is a "PRS copy", the bodyshape looks more like a PRS than a Kiesel.
    well, Joe Knaggs is a former PRS employee tho.
     
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    Most of Kiegal’s guitars look like they were designed by a can of mountain dew.
     
  9. Stinky Kitty

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    That Kiesel with the exposed wood arm contour is a direct, uninspired derivative of Joe's design. You're correct with his connection to PRS, though it's not really a copy. The design WAS a PRS all on its own :p that being 2008's private stock Chesapeake Severn.
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    Bottom line is Kiesel is Conducting business in a proper legal manner. Gibson did not. Oops.
     
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    Name the brand? Probably not. Tell them apart? Yes.
     
  12. singlecutarmy

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    I think you underestimate how much the average person cares about cars.

    I've met people that, unless they were side by side, cannot tell two silver sedans apart because they've walked to the wrong car more than once thinking it's mine.

    And that's really the whole thing, if they have to be side by side, then the shape itself isnt truly defining of the brand, it's the finer details. if you strip all the logos, most people cant tell a toyota from a Honda.

    Only guitar nerds will be able to tell a PRS body from a kiesel without the headstock, or an ibanez from a jackson, a fender from a g&l.

    Most people are going to hit you with strat / les paul / "it's a guitar"

    That suggests to me that the consumer decision making comes down to brand name on the headstock for guitar nerds, and for non guitar nerds its "Well they're the same shape why is one $3,000 and the other $300?"
     
  13. John C

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    If I'm remembering correctly PRS was going to build Joe's designs under the "Chesapeake" name. When PRS chose to not move forward with the Chesapeake line Paul and Joe agreed to part ways so Joe could start his own company to build his designs.
     
  14. Rahwana Putih

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    yes, that's why I put quote on that, they're basically a flat top PRS. IIRC Joe Knaggs design the Mira and Starla too.
    I think copying the exposed wood contour style from Kiesel is just like copying arched top from Gibson's Les Paul, or arm contour from Fender's Stratocaster. as long as they're not a carbon copy, it should be fine.
    the are another manufacturer doing that exposed wood contour like Ibanez and Skervesen.
     
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    Will be interesting to see how this pans out. I'll say this. I bought one of those Harley Benton LP types because I wanted one to gig that I didn't worry about getting knocked around or stolen. Planned on ripping out tuners, PUPS, bridge etc. I haven't changed a thing. It's the slash style, really, really good guitar for under three bills. The nut was sloppy but that was really it, and an easy fix. My guess is when I get bored and start updating, it will scream. Nothing beats the real thing, but for that application, I can't drag around a couple of #$2500+ instruments.
     
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    I didn’t read the entire thread, so apologies to any one who already picked this low hanging fruit: I saw the letter from Kiesel, it starts out, Hey Pot, this is Kettle!
     
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