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Komet Constellation speaker suggestions...I just bagged me a Connie!!! (Scumbacks?)

Young Angus

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Okay I've had my K60 for years now and I've mainly run it through a 212 with an old G12M Greenback and old G12H30 Blackback (both from the 70's) and it's sounded pretty good but I've always thought I could do better with speakers. I recently got a 65 Amps 212 with the standard G12H30/Blue configuration and I have yet to play the Komet through it (with an Airbrake of course) and just now I have finalized the purchase of something I've been wanting for ages and ages...a Constellation :beer

I was thinking of perhaps trying something new in my 212 that currently has the old Celestions in it but I'm kind of keen to try Scumbacks because I've heard so many good things about them but I don't know where to start.

I just want something that's going to be good, without being overly harsh or anything but that might resemble old classic Celestions like the pre-rola ones they used in the clips on the Komet website which I've heard some people say Scumbacks are quite good at doing. I usually prefer low wattage speakers but I'm open to suggestion. The box is a partially open back Achillies 212 (made here in Australia) which is a very nice box.
 

Jujo

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1- Ask Jim at Scumback. He's very cool and open to discuss
2- His site really explains thing very well about the effect of magnets and cones. You can really pick the speakers based on their construction.
3- I've owned a bunch of Scums and they have been really great.
 

Scumback Speakers

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YA: Shoot me an email (no PM's please, I hate that little window) if you'd like to discuss this, but most players with Komets are going with the M75 65w speakers, and it's what I use with my Wreck/Komet clone amps, too.

If you can fill out this form, it will save a bunch of time and emails, too.

http://www.scumbackspeakers.com/recommend.html
 

v-verb

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So was it a white Komet Connie? From Blue Hugh?

It's a great amp....vintage HiWatt Custom 50 4 input sits in her place now....
 

GAT

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I just installed a Scumback J75 30 watter in a Lightning Reverb combo and that sounds great, still M-like qualities but a bigger bass and smooth highs. I'll try my Kanewreck through it today and see what that sounds like.
 

hogy

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I recently got a 65 Amps 212 with the standard G12H30/Blue configuration

That speaker combination should work very well with the Constellation. Hard to beat, in fact.


FWIW, my reference cab is a '67 pinstripe straight cab loaded with original G12Hs. This is all I listen to when I voice an amp, and the Constellation was designed on that cab, too. That doesn't mean it won't sound good with other speakers (I know some people prefer G12Ms), just that I'm so used to that cab that I immediately know what I'm hearing when I play an amp through it.

happen to prefer the G12H to the M with most amps, but with that said, my favorite speaker for the Constellation is the Celestion/Alnico Blue. With only two speakers you might be pushing your luck a bit, but no more than with an AC30. Four of them are killer, though, and contrary to what I read sometimes, I think they work exceedingly well in a closed back cabinet as well.

Hogy, Komet Amplification






I just installed a Scumback J75 30 watter in a Lightning Reverb combo and that sounds great, still M-like qualities but a bigger bass and smooth highs. I'll try my Kanewreck through it today and see what that sounds like.
I have a quad of old '66 (I believe?) G12H 25s. They split the difference, M cone but bigger H size magnet. Those are really interesting sounding speakers. I don't know if anybody makes a copy of those.
 

v-verb

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That speaker combination should work very well with the Constellation. Hard to beat, in fact.


FWIW, my reference cab is a '67 pinstripe straight cab loaded with original G12Hs. This is all I listen to when I voice an amp, and the Constellation was designed on that cab, too. That doesn't mean it won't sound good with other speakers (I know some people prefer G12Ms), just that I'm so used to that cab that I immediately know what I'm hearing when I play an amp through it.

happen to prefer the G12H to the M with most amps, but with that said, my favorite speaker for the Constellation is the Celestion/Alnico Blue. With only two speakers you might be pushing your luck a bit, but no more than with an AC30. Four of them are killer, though, and contrary to what I read sometimes, I think they work exceedingly well in a closed back cabinet as well.

Hogy, Komet Amplification








I have a quad of old '66 (I believe?) G12H 25s. They split the difference, M cone but bigger H size magnet. Those are really interesting sounding speakers. I don't know if anybody makes a copy of those.

Hogy speaks the truth (of course). I was running it through wither an open Alessandro 2-12 with a Blue and Gold, or a closed Marshall straight 4-12 with 4 solver celestion alnico RI's.

Sad to let the amp go but I have another Komet which keeps me happy.


And that HiWatt Custom 50 is superb - not better than the Connie which I think is world class and under-rated if anything, but as the HiWatt is a vintage amp in superb condition was very hard to pass up. It can do the HiWatt clean sustainy sound to metal if it runs all 12AX7's. Canadian mod I guess was done as it's a Canadian amp. And yes I a/b'd with a SLO that's been gigged and recorded and preferred the HiWatt


 
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Young Angus

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So was it a white Komet Connie? From Blue Hugh?

It's a great amp....vintage HiWatt Custom 50 4 input sits in her place now....
Hehe yep that's the baby, can't wait for her to get here, Hugh said it was coming from a great guy so it was definitely in great shape. He also said you might be able to offer some information on what tubes were in it because he wasn't sure...?

Yes I figured the G12H30/Blue combo would be pretty darn good with the Connie, in fact I tried that cab for the first time with my K60 last night with the band and it sounded great too, although it was a bit different than my other cab that I'm used to with the older '70s Greenback/Blackback 212 combo. The Connie is a 30 watt amp...just how powerful is the Connie because it has four EL84s sitting in it? I'm sure I'll find that info somewhere else but hey we're discussing it so I'll throw it in there ;)

I might give the Scumbacks a go but the only other thing I might recommend is getting a Celestion Heritage G12H30 to go with my old G12M Greenback, reason being I recorded with that cab recently and the studio said that the mic didn't like the G12H30 Blackback (said it wasn't really behaving itself) but apparently the Greenback was fantastic!

I can't wait for the Connie, although perhaps I'm under a false impression that I'm going to then have a 60 watt Komet for the bigger stuff, and a 30 watt Komet for the smaller stuff...it's not really like that is it hahaha ?
 

v-verb

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Sweet talker!! COngrats!! it's a rare one - only 10 or so are white I think? And this may be the only one with white and pauduk - the others had wenge.

so 4 70's tresla EL84's - you scored there! and an old 6SN7 - that's critical to the amp. A bad one will cripple the amp so you should stock up on them as they are cheap.

the 2 12 AX7's are modern - can't remember but they are not so critical surprisingly.

It can get LOUD! almost as loud as the K60. But it is a SUPERB amp. You'll be shocked at how good it is - Komet's best amp (out of a fantastic stable) IMO and I've played/owned all except the K80.

Tell us when you get it. Maybe one day it'll find it's way home to me...enjoy her though!
 

Jujo

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The Connie is my favorite amp EVAAAR. Hand's down. No contest. End of story.
 

davebc

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I've been running my Connie through 2-12's G12H30's open back. It really sounds amazing.

But it's sounded amazing through everything so far.

Definitely one of the ultimate amps for single coils, especially if your looking for extra balls without changing true character of your guitars. Strats still sound like Strats.

The Connie and an Esquire is off the charts! Really nails that old Pagey thing in spades! Do you guys find that?

Really want to hear it with some ASW's

Love that bloom baby!!
 

davebc

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The Connie sounded SO huge and muscular sounding through a 4X12, I would never have believed those were 84's, never in a million years.
 

v-verb

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I'm going to get VERY depressed if I keep reading this thread.

The Constellation is one of my top 5 amps ever. The lack of tone controls is key to the huge sound as there is no tone stack to siphon off signal.

It is a fast, beautiful amp that takes your guitar signal and doesn't mess with it as most amps do.

Hogy and Mike knocked it out of the park with this one. I'm looking forward to their next masterpiece.

Seriously if I had more $ I would get another Connie, a 19 and any other Komet creations the Hogy and Mike cook up.

One day I have to try a Songwriter...the last of Ken's creations that Komet have faithfully reproduced under license.
 

Laplacian

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I have all the big bottle Komets, and had a sw30, no snub to sw30, awesome amp. Like to have another one day.

Love to try a Connie someday. Congrats. I'll at least try everything that Mike and Hogy can come up with. Every Komet is a fundamental winner in my book.

Have a quad of Jim's new S75's in route (Can't wait to team up with my k80's), and I'd like to load a quad of blues into a old Hiwatt style rear ported cabs for some smaller amps.

M's, J's, H's, S's, Blues, Golds, New Cele 75hz's, lots of great choices, and they are all going to sound good with a Komet in they're own way. I'll also through in old Fanes and new DR-F's. Your fingers are your friends.

Props to the Hiwatt in the thread too.
 

Young Angus

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I'm going to get VERY depressed if I keep reading this thread.

The Constellation is one of my top 5 amps ever. The lack of tone controls is key to the huge sound as there is no tone stack to siphon off signal.

It is a fast, beautiful amp that takes your guitar signal and doesn't mess with it as most amps do.

Hogy and Mike knocked it out of the park with this one. I'm looking forward to their next masterpiece.

Seriously if I had more $ I would get another Connie, a 19 and any other Komet creations the Hogy and Mike cook up.

One day I have to try a Songwriter...the last of Ken's creations that Komet have faithfully reproduced under license.
These were my thoughts the very first time I heard about a Connie, I always knew the best sounding amp I'd be able to find would be the simplest and I've been looking forward to getting my hands on one of these ever since. The K60 is amazing and I can't wait for this one. Cheers for obviously treating it like it deserves (as if any Komet owner would be any different) and if I ever decide to move it on you'll be the first person I contact...it will be quite far away here in Australia though ;)

I can't wait for the whole "two blended channels with footswitch" thing I've been wanting to try that since I read about it...kind of like a footswitchable Komet without tone compromise...WOW! Well I actually have no idea what it will be like, but if I can get a rhythm and a lead sound (with a significant enough volume boost) from using these two sides of the amp and a footswitch when playing live I will be a very happy camper indeed.

I am thinking about changing that Blue to a Gold though in my 212 cab just to be safe, although it's hard because so many people say how great a Blue is and how a Gold just doesn't have a little "something" that the Blue does.
 




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