Yeah, $12k + the risk of not getting on the list + the years of waiting even if you do get on the list.Do you actually have the opportunity to buy one? Lucky you, if so. IIRC Mike's sold for ~$15k, which actually seemed like a pretty fair price considering the guitar and the association. If it were me, I'd hope to pay somewhere between that and the new price, which I believe is ~$12k. Of course even for $12k, it's not like you can just order one.
Realistically, the seller can pretty much name their price for these and someone will probably pay it. Even if he is still making them (anyone know if he is?), the volume is so low that even if he churned out a ton by his standards, it's not going to impact the used price much. If he's stopped, this is more or less a can't-miss opportunity.
Even if they want $15k, I can't imagine it being a bad investment if you can swing it. Phish is still going very strong, and the demand won't go away any time soon.
Is there any other guitar that has been priced like this because of one player? I can’t really think of any.
Going rate now is $22000 for a G2 - so I'm guessing it would be at least that, even used. I assume most owners will have some wear showing from playing but they will be well cared for and are very rare. I watched Trey's new 2021 rig rundown and tried pausing when he showed his new 4.0 'doc. The serial inside is low 200's by my guess.
I don't think Trey playing one made them exorbitant, I think it's actually Paul's build process, attention to detail, actual design, quality, customer service etc. I email Paul and he responds to me within a day or so. He is top notch.
I’d place a second mortgage on my house and sell everything I own for a G2 or G3. Please don’t call my bluff.
Are you a Trey fan? ;-)
For anyone to suggest that these guitars would be anywhere close to the current price if Trey didn’t play them is kidding themselves.
Have you priced a Ribbecke or Manzer archtop?All of that I'm sure is true, but I must take issue with your statement. The fact that Trey uses one is undoubtably the main reason they are so expensive. I would imagine that Paul got wind of what they were going for used, as well as the demand he has seen in his waiting list, and adjusted his price accordingly.
Just ask yourself what the demand would be like if Trey wasn't using them.
Again, no diss on him or the guitar, I would love to have one! And more power to him that he can get price that for his work.
There are only a few custom luthiers that can charge that much for their work, and they are mostly just a handful of arch top and a few flat top builders.
Weird argument. He built that guitar specifically for Trey with Trey’s input.
If Trey/Phish didn’t make it out of the bar scene he probably wouldn’t have built another one. It’s a weird design and Trey is on record saying most people who pick it up are like “WTF is this” because of how easily it feeds back and gets out of control with any volume.
He only builds a few a year and knows how insane this fan base is so of course he can charge whatever the hell he wants to. 22k is comical, IMO.
But yeah, say Paul was just another builder without any sort of famous association and I think the price point would be in line with someone like Artinger or Crow Hill. They were originally 10k, anyways.
I remember Trey saying that Paul spent Something 100+ hours hand sanding the top. That’s ridiculous. If that is even half true, you can begin to understand why they’re priced at that rate.