Line6... DL4 or Echo Park?

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  1. John E

    John E Member

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    Hi Guys, lurker here who finally signed up. I also post on Weber, TDPRI, and AGF. Anyways... My next pedal purchase is another delay... I bagged my Boss DD3 as it just really didn't knock me out. I know the Line6 Echo Park seems to be a controversial pedal here... but I LOVE it, at least from the few hours I've been able to mess with it at a local shop. No comparison with the Boss stuff or anything else I've tried. The problem is... I also love the DL4... I think the echo park actually sounds better and I like the size and price, but I love the loop feature and expression pedal feature on the DL4... I change my mind every 5 minutes on which one it will be... anybody have any swaying opinions on one over the other? This will be gigged in a pop/rock electric thing as well as an Acoustic fusion trio...

    Thanks in advance...
     
  2. co-intelpro

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    My DL4 has konked out on me on occasion. I am not sure about the echo park, but the DL4 was a huge pain for me reliability-wise. I opted for a Boss DM-2, Ibanez AD-80, and an Akai Headrush E2 to cover the looping. I still have the Line6 DL4, but I can't rely on it...
     
  3. John E

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    I keep hearing about reliability issues with Line6... it's starting to concern me...
     
  4. Garygtr

    Garygtr Almost as good! Silver Supporting Member

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    My Dl-4 had volume loss issues on some of the settings, the Echoplex ones in particular (which were my faves, unfortunately). I've heard the Echo park actually has a little volume boost, but I have yet to play one.
     
  5. GuitarGuy510

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    I've owned TONS of line 6 products in the past and some have been great some have been not so good. I owned a Spider II 212 and it literally died on me after a little over a month of use! That one sucked because they told me I had to take it to a repair shop via line 6's warranty, and the only one in PA was 2 1/2 hours away! Also I know over a dozen people that told me horror stories of their DL-4's either randomly losing volume or just straight up dying on them mid-song. I had a Line 6 POD XT Live for a while that I only recently sold to pay for a cabinet, but I loved the delay models on it. I've heard good things about the Echo Park and it seems pretty sturdy with the metal case. I just bought a Digitech DigiDelay used on eBay and I'm very satisfied with it! If you are looking for a similar product to the tonecore delay, stick with the Digitech. No reliability issues and it sounds terrific! Just my 2 cents! :dude Good luck with your search man, and welcome!
     
  6. Moe45673

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    Sell the DL-4, keep the echo-park, buy a boss rc-20 or rc-20xl;

    EP + RC-20 = same footprint as dl-4.

    Problem solved.
     
  7. LSchefman

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    Do not waste your money on a delay!
    Just play the same part over and over real fast. :)
     
  8. ButchR

    ButchR Komet Player Gold Supporting Member

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    Now that's funny! Good idea!:)
     
  9. Scott Peterson

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    Flat honest - I prefer the Echo Park for tone.

    But, and here I am being dead honest, I can't find an Echo Park that isn't noisy as hell. I have been through 3 of them now. And I know you have to keep trying, but I am done with it. Just sick of the chase, time and effort.

    And the DL-4 was a great pedal for a long time for me, until it died on stage one night. And the replacement I bought at GC died the next night on stage.

    I am done with their stompboxes, though the POD XT Live serves me well. Sigh.
     
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    I've had my DL4 for a few years now, and I've never had any problems with it (crosses fingers now). It's actually a pretty flexible delay unit and sounds great.
     
  11. Melodic Dreamer

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    I got my DL4 a little over 2 years ago and haven't had any problems with it.
     
  12. WahmBoomAh

    WahmBoomAh World Crass Guitarist Silver Supporting Member

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    after three died on me ...never again
     
  13. John E

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    I guess Line 6 has some quality issues? I know about the noise thing with the Echo Park, it supposedly had been with only certain setups, and supposedly has been corrected with a firmware revision on newer pedals... there is a way to check by holding the stomp switch down on which revision the pedal is that I found. The service issues are scaring me... but I have to say I really dig the way that echo park sounds...
     
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    I've been using a DL4 for about three years now with no problems ...... except one of the LED's only works when it's in the mood. Hey, I know the feelin';)

    Other than that, works fine, sounds good. I want to try the Echo Park though.
     
  15. John E

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    Well... this was EXACTLY what I did! I haven't bought the Boss RC-20xl yet, but I have a credit at a local shop and I'll be picking that up after X-Mas. I love, Love, LOVE the Echo Park... honestly I tried EVERYTHING and nothing compares tonally... It absolutely KILLS the Boss stuff and the Digidelay tonally IMHO... I can sit and muck with this pedal for hours on end, and I am not getting ANY noise thru my rig, powering it with a one spot and 5 other various pedals. I have not gigged it yet though, so that will be a test... gigging it for the first time on Wednesday. I checked the Version per Muzique.com: http://www.muzique.com/line6.htm

    I seem to have the very latest revision which I believe to be 2.0 as I get TWO Red LED flashes per the instructions for checking (I am in the midst of verifying this though).

    Thanks for all the responses!
     
  16. woude

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    The dl4 wins for features, but in the end the echopark is better because it doesn't suck tone, it does still enough for a delay (come on) and it boost your signal just a little bit which sounds better than the slightly muffled, slightly softer sounding dl4. + it's much smaller and cheaper.

    Mine doesn't buzz at all and sounds even better trough the fx loop of my koch classictone.
     
  17. dinrodef

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    If you want to record loops... you'll probably like the dl4 more
     
  18. rawkguitarist

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    Rock on! I'm glad it worked out for ya!! I think the Echopark is the best delay available when you compare tone and features.

    And you should love the Loop Station too... I love mine!
     
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    Slick51 Colonel Curmudgeon

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    I guess I'm lucky/the exception, etc. I've owned three DL-4s with no problems, and own an Echo Park now that is absolutely silent with a Pedal Power 2. I've never had the first problem. That said...

    I never use the looping on my DL-4. I most often use two delays; one for ambience w/ clean chimey chords (DD-6 or Digidelay) and the other for solos, in the ducking mode. The Echo Park sounds better than my DL-4, and fits in small places. Plus, the tap tempo is usable on the fly.

    I'd buy another one.

    My $0.02.

    Slick51
     
  20. John E

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    Hey Aaron,

    Thanks for your input and the reply email… I am absolutely LOVING this pedal, it sounds absolutely HUGE. I’ll be gigging it with my electric project on Wednesday, so that’ll be the true test, but I am completely confident. This thing kills any other delay that I tried tonally… I have an acoustic trio with my dad as well, we were practicing last night and I showed him the pedal, I thought he was going to fall over LOL… especially when I started turning the time knob, mid repeat… all kinds of coolness going on…
     

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