Looper (sampler) that is a creative tool not practice tool

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  1. abergdahl

    abergdahl Member

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    Most looper seems to be for practice. I'm more interested in making music. I would like a looper where a can create a base loop that will slowly fade away (if I want it to). I want to be able to ever dub shorter or longer loops over the base loop. I also would like to manipulate the loops on the fly, octave, reverse, speed. I also find it CRAZY to have to looper before the amp, if I use a lot of distortion it will only be noise after a while (sort of fun, but not always). Perhaps the solution is many loopers, one before amp, one in effectsloop or after amp thrugh a PA. The most sensible looper setup i have seen described is splatts (David Torn). Is the Gibson unit still made??? that seems to be the best alternative...
     
  2. paraedolia

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    I don't think the Gibson echoplex is still in production but they show up on ebay from time to time.
    I'm learning to fly a DL4 and an old Digitech PSD8000 together for some interesting looping...(yes, I admit it, I'm a Bill Frisell fanboy). It's harder than it looks, but can be inspiring (and frustrating).
    Have you tried looking around here: http://www.loopersdelight.com/loop.html
    Here's a roundup of (some/many/most?) of the loopers: http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html
    Here's another comparison chart of many of the main contenders: http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php

    (Hey, you're the first self-identified bright I've run into...)
     
  3. michaelvincent

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    My DL4 was all tied up with delay sounds so I picked up a Headrush that I like a lot. I put mine at the end of the chain so I can loop a part and keep the sound intact while I change the sounds for a part to put over it. I never really used mine as a practice tool, but with my new band being a trio I've been using it to be able to add extra lines over certain parts of our songs (and it also helped us work out a new tune in a way we wouldn't have without the looper). Russian Circles does this to really great effect. It takes a ton of practice to be able to keep a whole band in synch with a looped part but the work has been worth it, it makes playing more interesting for me.

    Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it might a similar setup if I were to stick a bunch of effects after the looper as well to minipulate the loops.
     
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    ive tried a bunch and several do a lot of what i want but none of them do everything i want. argh.
     
  5. dividedsky

    dividedsky Supporting Member

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    The Boomerang + sounds like a good choice for you. It can't do octaves but can any looper?
     
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    The DL4's looper can reverse a loop or bring it down an octave.
     
  7. splatt

    splatt david torn / splattercell Gold Supporting Member

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    re: the re-pitching of loops:

    gibson EDP can do octave-shifts only.

    electrix repeater can be re-pitched
    within 3 octaves (in 1/2-steps), or continuously.

    lexicon pcm42 (& some other of the delay-based looping devices)
    has similar re-pitching capabilities to the repeater.

    boomerang plus has 5 "slow speeds",
    pitching down-only, as far as an octave.

    EH 16-sec delay et al.....

    & etc etc etc.

    dt / spltrcl
     
  8. radcliff

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    I'm back to the DL4 for this very reason.

    It's quirky and creative.
     
  9. paraedolia

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    Really? Without slowing it down? That would be useful...I cheat and use an old EHX octave multiplexer.
    I meant to say the EHX 2880 looks pretty awesome for this stuff too.

    EDIT: Robin Guthrie (Cocteau Twins) used to use Boomerang...
     
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  10. drbob1

    drbob1 Silver Supporting Member

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    For actual artistic use, I really like the Boomerang. The one box, one or two button loopers are too complicated to use in the heat of battle (including the 2880, which I played with for 15 minutes and couldn't get a sound out of it, the Boomerang I was up and looping in the length of time it took to plug it in).
     
  11. seiko

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    The stereo mem man with harazi does a lot of this
     
  12. pedalfreek

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    If you can find an Electrix Repeater....you'll be having tons of fun!!
     
  13. dr.morton

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    Although it gets not a lot of love here, my first choice would be the Boss RC-50.
    Check out what artist Rico Loop does with it.
     
  14. starfish

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    I've never seen him use a Boomerang but he has used for many years a Lexicon Jamman rack unit, two of them and an Electrix Repeater. Last year he bought a Boss RC-50 but that hasn't made stage appearance yet. No idea if the new film soundtrack 3:19 features the Boss or not. Maybe the Boomerang is used as a sketch pad, not live?

    Great taste in music, BTW. :)
     
  15. Hiwatt Bob

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    another pedal to consider is the pigtronix echolution. i was a big digitech pds8000 and pds20/20 user until i discoverd this pedal--it's a PDS killer.

    it's a sample/hold looper--so it's not good for conventional looping, but it is amazing for coming up with more random loops.

    --up to 12 seconds of looping (the pds' could be tweaked, but usually couldn't get much more than 8 seconds before getting really bit-crushed and noisey)
    --footswitchable reverse
    --a ton of multitap options, the Phi function is actually VERY cool, useful.
    --chorus (pitch modulation)
    --tremolo
    --pitch manipulation with the delay time knob (or expression pedal)

    anyhow--this pedal is excellent for creating ambient loops, experimental stuff. i use a headrush for more straight forward phrase looping. but even as a straight up delay--the echolution is pretty schweet.
     
  16. simeon

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    hey, don't forget the Looperlative too!

    http://www.looperlative.com

    8 stereo loops...intuitive and comprehensive midi control...works in a line level environment (not before the amp)...change pitch/speed of loops...reverse....auto fade out/in...two aux outputs...lotsa other stuff too!

    sim
     

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