Lyre Tremolo problems... Gibson SG

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  1. SW33THAND5

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    Okay heres the dealio... I am about to remove the Lyre (leave the lovely looking tailpiece) and install a claw type tailpiece. (Ala Gibson 1275)

    I really dont have a problem staying in tune. Its dialed in and quite stable, but the breaking angle is almost no angle at all. So when I play hard and bend above the 12th i have problems with the high E snapping out of its bridge piece or just sounding "plinky."

    I am a player who actually will use a trem so I hate to see it go... But i also have a nice Les Paul so I can live without a Trem. I have Strat...but I would like to solve the problem without just converting to a hardtail.


    Fixes? Suggestions? Something I have not considered? I am keeping the guitar whether I mod it or not. It plays and sounds fantastic.
     
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    Which bridge do you have?
     
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    I'd go with taller saddles. I know some folks have bent the base of the modern vibrolas, that may give you a little more leverage.
     
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    I figure that I could remove the front part of the trem (ala Derek Trucks) and install a claw type tailpiece like the one on the 6 string side of a gibby 1275 (seen here) --> http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Ele...elder-Hotel-California-EDS-1275/Features.aspx

    that would be the lowest profile fixed bridge fix in my estimation. ( I have not seen one converted this way.

    what I would really like to know is if there is a kit or mod that could just improve the existing trem (or any other solution that I have not considered) as-is.

    once again... the guitar plays and sounds amazing so either way, I am keeping it. it just seems like a shame to alter such a beautiful guitar
     
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    wouldn't taller saddles change the action? (the action is perfect) the break angle on the neck will only accept so much difference to raising the saddles right? (or am I missing something?)
     
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    maybe bending the base (which is basically the spring) will be worth an easy try. is there not an aftermarket fix for lyres?
     
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    if you have taller saddles, you can cut the groove a little deeper. the action will be the same, but the walls will be slightly higher. Enough for the E to not pop out. There may be enough on the bridge you have now, but they are pretty low profile. I'm talking just very slightly deeper.
     
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    I see
     
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    I went/am going through the same thing with my new SG/Les Paul Custom that I bought at the end of December. The spring wasn't bent enough, so there was no discernible break angle over the strings.

    On a visit to Guitar Center in Times Square, I noticed that of the several brand new SGs and Firebirds with Maestro Vibrolas they had in stock, some were bent like mine (poorly/wrong), and some were bent like they're supposed to be. This meant that these guitars could have low action and improved vibrato performance, which mine couldn't.

    Here's a photo I made to display this:

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    Since I bought my guitar new, I immediately brought it to Peekamoose Guitars (authorized Gibson warranty shop), and it is currently there waiting for the new, properly-bent Maestro spring to arrive from Gibson (I'm at week 7 of the quoted 6-8).
     
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    See^^^the Abr-1 alone allows for more break. I wish the tweedy came out ten years ago, when USA SG's came stock with Abr's.
     
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