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M13 solo/lead boost option?

SkyhighRocks

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I'm looking at the M13 as a possible all in one for my board. I'm trying to find out if it's possible to set volume levels for each scene? I'd ideally like to have a scene set up for my leads...where a delay kicks on and the overall volume does about a +3db volume jump...
 

GCDEF

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You can set the level on most of the individual effects. Not on each scene though.
 

StompBoxBlues

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You can set the level on most of the individual effects. Not on each scene though.
But that ought to be more enticing than an eq pedal outboard. I mean, you can set up the same scene but with the effects (like OD, EQ, or boost) set higher in one scene, but everything else the same and just go directly to that scene from the other when you want a boost.

Maybe I'm missing something in the question, it seems like an easy solution.
 

thenine

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Jon Silberman posted he is using the Tube Comp (last in the chain) as a clean boost. I tried this on his recommendation and it works fantastic! Cheers Jon.

To the OP, just setup each of your scenes and the ones you want "louder" put a tube comp at the end of the chain with a low threshold and set the level accordingly. Of course, this was b4 we had the EQ's, now that the EQ's are here, one of those might work better for you - for now I am still using tube comp for level boost and the EQ's for tone shaping. Good luck!
 

stratotastic

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There's no "scene master volume" control if that's what you're asking. A vol or boost pedal in one of the loops is probably the closest you're gonna get. The drives have output level settings but most of the delays/filters/etc do not.

Yeah, the tube comp works well--personally I like the "Vetta Juice."

Either of these approaches is probably better than having to waste a whole scene by having the same effects, just louder.
 

StompBoxBlues

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There's no "scene master volume" control if that's what you're asking. A vol or boost pedal in one of the loops is probably the closest you're gonna get. The drives have output level settings but most of the delays/filters/etc do not.

Yeah, the tube comp works well--personally I like the "Vetta Juice."

Either of these approaches is probably better than having to waste a whole scene by having the same effects, just louder.
Or a volume pedal (either a virtual one, or a real one)...

Got me to thinking too....Since a volume or expression pedal is just a potentiometer as far as the circuit sees, and since you set it by setting the pedal at its lowest (i.e. 0 ohms) setting, and also set the parameter for the toe position (highest ohms setting)....

Then I'm thinking one could ALSO use a switch with a set resistor in it...just a footswitch, where you set the parameter to "normal" when the switch is off, and max, or what you want, when it is on?

A vol/expr pedal is more versatile, but sometimes you don't want versatile...
 

SkyhighRocks

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Thanks for all the input. The object here for me would be to eliminate tap dancing as much as possible. A volume pedal would work but then I'd have to click on a scene or delay or whatever effect I need for a certain lead. My hope is to have a dedicated scene or scenes for leads...sounds like the eq or tube comps might be the way to go.
 

StompBoxBlues

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Thanks for all the input. The object here for me would be to eliminate tap dancing as much as possible. A volume pedal would work but then I'd have to click on a scene or delay or whatever effect I need for a certain lead. My hope is to have a dedicated scene or scenes for leads...sounds like the eq or tube comps might be the way to go.
I'm having trouble following you here. At first I thought you just wanted a boost for leads/solos... why would this mean any more "tap dancing" than just touching the volume pedal and raising volume?

Lots of this stuff can also be done easliy just by thinking out the banks on a scene...for example if you have it default (this means you have to use manual save or it will default to the last saved thing) to the bottom row being the effects you normally want. IF you just want boost, and are say using an OD, if you just have the middle row OD set the same but with higher volume, one tap and you are there...

What am I missing?
 

Pietro

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Jon Silberman posted he is using the Tube Comp (last in the chain) as a clean boost. I tried this on his recommendation and it works fantastic! Cheers Jon.!
Jon is right, the Tube Comp is a great clean boost! But I put it first in the chain.
 

SkyhighRocks

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I'm having trouble following you here. At first I thought you just wanted a boost for leads/solos... why would this mean any more "tap dancing" than just touching the volume pedal and raising volume?

Lots of this stuff can also be done easliy just by thinking out the banks on a scene...for example if you have it default (this means you have to use manual save or it will default to the last saved thing) to the bottom row being the effects you normally want. IF you just want boost, and are say using an OD, if you just have the middle row OD set the same but with higher volume, one tap and you are there...

What am I missing?
I like using some delay or other effects in my leads usually. So if I'm on my rhythm setting (which is usually just some reverb and an OD) and then have to go into a solo, that would mean I would have to step on the delay "scene" or turn a delay on...THEN go over to the volume pedal to give the extra volume...follow what I'm saying? That's why I'm asking if it's possible to have one scene set louder than another...not so much for a boost of gain but a boost of volume. I never rely on a sound man to give me that volume boost out front...most of them are usually not paying attention or don't know when a lead is coming up. Been doing that for about 15 years now.

I don't have the M13 yet...this is why I'm asking these questions before possibly buying.
 

ejecta

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I like using some delay or other effects in my leads usually. So if I'm on my rhythm setting (which is usually just some reverb and an OD) and then have to go into a solo, that would mean I would have to step on the delay "scene" or turn a delay on...THEN go over to the volume pedal to give the extra volume...follow what I'm saying? That's why I'm asking if it's possible to have one scene set louder than another...not so much for a boost of gain but a boost of volume. I never rely on a sound man to give me that volume boost out front...most of them are usually not paying attention or don't know when a lead is coming up. Been doing that for about 15 years now.

I don't have the M13 yet...this is why I'm asking these questions before possibly buying.
I'm pretty sure with the latest update that added some EQ's you would be able to put an EQ at the end of the chain on your lead scene and up the level that way.
 

JoeB63

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I like using some delay or other effects in my leads usually. So if I'm on my rhythm setting (which is usually just some reverb and an OD) and then have to go into a solo, that would mean I would have to step on the delay "scene" or turn a delay on...THEN go over to the volume pedal to give the extra volume...follow what I'm saying? That's why I'm asking if it's possible to have one scene set louder than another...not so much for a boost of gain but a boost of volume. I never rely on a sound man to give me that volume boost out front...most of them are usually not paying attention or don't know when a lead is coming up. Been doing that for about 15 years now.

I don't have the M13 yet...this is why I'm asking these questions before possibly buying.
Why is everyone overcomplicating this? The answer is simple:

You have access to 4 simultaneous effects. Use a delay effect in slot 3. Use a reverb effect in slot 4. Slot 1 can be your OD effect (if you need some OD on your rhythm tone). In Slot 2 use the Tube Comp (with the threshold all the way up), or an EQ effect, to boost your volume level. So all you have to do is hit one switch (slot 2) to boost your signal, and then hit that same switch again to go back to your rhythm tone.

It's exactly the same as a pedalboard.

Or, you can do what Stompboxblues said above, which is pretty clever, and exploits the capabilities of the M13 in a smart way.
 

ejecta

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I like using some delay or other effects in my leads usually. So if I'm on my rhythm setting (which is usually just some reverb and an OD) and then have to go into a solo, that would mean I would have to step on the delay "scene" or turn a delay on...THEN go over to the volume pedal to give the extra volume...follow what I'm saying? That's why I'm asking if it's possible to have one scene set louder than another...not so much for a boost of gain but a boost of volume. I never rely on a sound man to give me that volume boost out front...most of them are usually not paying attention or don't know when a lead is coming up. Been doing that for about 15 years now.

I don't have the M13 yet...this is why I'm asking these questions before possibly buying.
I was just thinking about this and with a volume pedal you can have it control multiple parameters on multiple "pedals" so you could use it to control the level of the EQ or comp as well as the delay level so when you roll up the volume pedal your volume increases and your delays come in as well.
 
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SkyhighRocks

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Why is everyone overcomplicating this? The answer is simple:

You have access to 4 simultaneous effects. Use a delay effect in slot 3. Use a reverb effect in slot 4. Slot 1 can be your OD effect (if you need some OD on your rhythm tone). In Slot 2 use the Tube Comp (with the threshold all the way up), or an EQ effect, to boost your volume level. So all you have to do is hit one switch (slot 2) to boost your signal, and then hit that same switch again to go back to your rhythm tone.

It's exactly the same as a pedalboard.

Or, you can do what Stompboxblues said above, which is pretty clever, and exploits the capabilities of the M13 in a smart way.
Except I'd still need to turn on a delay AND the tube comp for the lead/solo...I don't have delay on in my rhythm...maybe I'm missing something here. That's why I think it would be better to set up a scene with everything I need for my leads and a scene for rhythm?

Is there any lag time when switching effects or scenes on/off?
 

stratotone

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Rich, sounds like a scene would be right for you if you need to add delay too. I haven't noticed any lag time but I usually just turn stomps off/on within one scene.
 

JoeB63

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Except I'd still need to turn on a delay AND the tube comp for the lead/solo...I don't have delay on in my rhythm...maybe I'm missing something here. That's why I think it would be better to set up a scene with everything I need for my leads and a scene for rhythm?
Ah, I missed that delay issue....

That is the downside of the M13. You'd have the same problem with an array of pedals unless you used a loop pedal.

Last January, I was trying to solve that same problem -- I wanted a setup that allowed me to switch amp channels and go from reverb on clean to delay on OD with one stomp. I got a whole midi setup going with a rack and amp channel switching via a G Major ----- until I decided I didn't like that sound of the G Major, plus I had level-matching issues.

So now with the M13, I'm back to 2 stomps. However, the great sound and the versatility of the M13 outweighs that downside for me. I guess I could what you're saying and use Latch mode and switch between scenes, but I haven't tried that yet. That's more of a "sound patch" scheme, which I generally don't like, rather than a "stomp box" model, which I prefer.

So I guess I'm stuck in 2 stomp land.

But it's nice that you can do both with the M13. I don't think there's a delay in switching from one latched scene to another.
 




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