Marshall Advice Needed ...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by Alchemist XP, Dec 31, 2017.


  1. tritone 6

    tritone 6 Silver Supporting Member

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    I haven't tried the mini jubilee so I'm not gonna crap on it. It may be a great little amp.
    10-20 years from now we'll know.

    I'm a fan of the classic marshalls, the tone we all know and grew up on.
    But in my opinion Marshall hasn't made a great amp since the 800. I was hopeful for the 2061HW, had one and liked it. I sold it to a friend and he has had to have it serviced too many times to count. Bad transformers and when he got a suitable replacement the thing just kept eating tubes. It's a great idea, but something went wrong with the design.

    My take on modern Marshall's is they just don't make great amps anymore and they really don't have to. People are going to buy them because they are marshalls. Marshall knows this and the parts, construction are all based on minimizing cost and maximizing profit. If that is all going well, why should they decrease profit by increasing cost if these things are flying off the shelf.
    People want their amps to say Marshall on it and believe they are getting the real deal piece of history.

    What they are getting is a compromised corner cutting, inferior product.

    I know there are players out there who have newer marshalls, and are happy. That's great. My old guitarist has a DSL from the 90's, he loves it, gigs it still and that's great.
    Sometimes I wish I was more like that. But the fact of the matter is it sounds OK, sometimes not so ok.

    He's never played any of the alternatives and has no desire to.
    I'm pretty sure he wouldn't hear the difference. I do.

    Marshall knows that they are a brand, a brand that sells based on its name and logo. They will not change until they have no choice, and if they did come out with a high quality amp with parts built to last that had all the functions that worked, and were easy to service they would charge more than most of the boutiques.

    I remember when they came out with the 1959HW. It was not cheap.

    Even back in the day marshalls were hit or miss. No 2 sounded the same, and you had to hunt for a good one. But when you found it. It was REAL good.

    There are builders making those amps. The good ones. They are built with consistency, passion and love for the originals and functions that musicians need.

    Marshall just isn't doing this. I wish they would.
     
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  2. manimal

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    Dude, I’m so with ya. Had mine over a year now too. I have kept this amp longer than any amp over the last few years and I have no intention of parting with it. It cannot be replaced. So many misconceptions with this amp. It can be super bright or super dark, depends on how you set it and depends on which guitar and pickup combination you set it to. It HAS Proto typical Marshall gain tone at any volume, especially with the output master jacked and the lead master set lower. You will not and cannot get as good a Marshall tone with a clean amp and a pedal. You can have a good sounding cleaning amp that is still heard with a nice sounding pedal over it. I can always hear it when I’ve tried in the past. The Jubilee is based off of the Marshall JCM800 with a couple tweaks. The diode\clip option is used in the clean channel, not the lead channel. Makes me laugh about the misconceptions with this amp, and how it has been misused. It is actually very simple to use once you understand it after a couple minutes
     
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  3. Alchemist XP

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    I tend to like amps like this, probably because of my years of playing through Mesa amps. it's one of the reasons I like FX loops so much ... a lot of amps can be dramatically improved with just an EQ pedal in the loop. As much as I like classic tones, the limitations of getting them only at window rattling volumes sucks. I'm lucky in that I've got a dedicated, well insulated music room/studio ... but still, there's the whole ear health issue. .
     
  4. rstites

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    I assume the 2525 has the exact same preamp as the original 2550/2555. If so, it most certainly uses diodes for both the lead channel and the rhythm clip channel. It also has a significantly different tone stack than more traditional Marshalls. It is far more than just a lightly tweaked JCM800 2203/2204 - the two channel JCM800 2205/2210 are closer to that but even they are fairly tweaked (also use diodes for distortion and an even different approach to it). It really is it's own thing, which is great. There's no reason for it to be just a lightly tweaked 2203/2204.

    Marshall was clever enough to go for something new/different with the Jub and it was a hit. It was originally a limited production, one year deal. Then it was popular enough to get rolled into the JCM800 line for the remainder of that line's existence. Then when the JCM900 line replaced the JCM800, the Jub was continued as the Slash Signature model.....and now after 15-20 years out of production, they're back.

    I do wish I could find a schematic of the 2525 as I'm very curious if it really is a 100% copy-n-paste of the preamp (assume so), and most importantly I'm a bit curious how the poweramp works. That sounds like a real design update. The originals were pretty unique for the time for having a half-way pentode/triode mode deal but it really messed with the sound.
     
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  5. manimal

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    Yeah they say the preamp is identical to the 100 and the original. And yes there’s diodes in the lead channel which sounds great...but people think that you put the amp on the lead channel, pull the rhythm clip knob and all of a sudden you have a raging metal amp that’s “too gainy”, etc. haha!!! The rhythm clip is on the clean channel, just gives you a greasy crunch. Not a metal amp. And this amp sounds seriously great in 5 watt mode...far better than the 7 watt modes in the Orange Terrors and others like it.
     
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  6. walshb

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    I'm not an amp designer, by any means. I just use my ears, which are not perfect either.....64 years old and I've been playing since I was 18. Amps, bands and loud factories have taken their toll on my hearing. I've been through a lot of amps that were 'supposed' to do the Marshall thing also. (Not Ceriatone or some of the others I probably should have tried.) I've had/have Orange, Soldano SLO, Rivera, Mesa, and several others, I still have two Fuchs Casino series amps (and they're great for what they do!), but the amp I play now is (finally!) a Marshall Mini Jube, and I cannot be happier! IMHO, it does the JCM800 thing with no problem. Sorry, JCM people won't want to hear that. (The same ones that put an OD pedal in front of the amp, to get a better tone at lower volume.) No, I don't expect it to sound exactly like a 100W vintage Marshall through a 4x12 cab. Using diodes isn't a problem for me, as long as the final result is pleasing and inspires me to play more.....which the Mine Jube does, more than any amp I've owned in a long time! AC/DC, Gary Moore, Aerosmith, Slash, all kinds of great tones I've found in this little 20W amp. IMO it's going to sound just like the 100W Silver Jubilee, at a lower volume, which many of us are looking for these days. No, you can't adjust tube bias like you can on the 100W version, but so far, I just haven't seen the need to do so. I just spent a couple of hours playing through mine and I can't wait to get back up to the band room and play some more! No, it's not the "perfect" amp, but it's very close to what the OP described, IMO.
     
  7. DMVGuitar

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    The jube has some nice tones. My two issues with the mini are that one cannot remove the diodes from the circuit. This means to use some of drive and distortion pedals, I had to set the amp knobs in odd ways to make the pedals work. The settings made for awful clean tones. The bottom end collapses way too soon for 2 el34s.
     
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  8. rstites

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    Correct, the rhythm clip kicks in diodes on the rhythm channel to change it from clean to crunchy rhythm. They won't be in the circuit when switched to the lead amp. I'd agree that it's a better rock (maybe hard rock) amp than metal amp. For metal of that era, I'd stick with the 2203 blasted with an OD pedal out front, if going Marshall.

    That's why I think the OP should go try one. I owned the 2550 and 2555 at the same time I had several 2203s and a couple of 1959s around. I gigged the 2203s as my backline at the time, and recorded the 1959s. To my ear at the time (long time ago!), the Silver Jubilees didn't really sound similar to the others. They were in the Marshall camp certainly - closer than say to a Boogie - but voiced completely different, reacted completely differently, etc. Still, if they get close enough for you, great! Maybe they'll get there for the OP.

    I'd still like to heard the 2203 with the same power amp as those 2525's.....
     
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  9. rstites

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    This is where I ran into issues with the bigger ones. They don't have enough gain on their own for what I played, and IMO didn't handle gain pedals well at all. The other issue I ran into was that the two channels shared the first gain stage, so balanced rhythm and gain channels was a massive PIA for live play. That's probably why the big boys always A/B'd between two amps live rather than channel switching. However, I think you could probably put a volume pedal in the loop to make this work. I didn't have that trick up my sleeve at the time for balancing amp channels.
     
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  10. manimal

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    I totally can respect what you’re saying where you had one for a bit, we all have different preferences, guitars and uses. I am down to two different electric guitars right now. My 2014 Fender American standard Strat with maple board, all stock has limitless range for gain/mids/bass etc. In other words, I can use as much game or bass as I want with this guitar. The pickups are low-output And handle any and all gain pedals so well it’s insane with this guitar. Lead channel with a soul food is fantastic, BE–100 on the clean channel is also fantastic for metal. My Ibanez prestige RG652 Demands less bass than the Strat...less gain as well. Both channels of course. This guitar with overdrive posts on the lead channel is fantastic. SD–1 on the lead channel with this guitar is crushing metal. This amp works wonders for me....and better than any EL84 low watt amp I’ve owned or tried. Bassbreaker 15 is amazing but falls apart with volumes approaching the 2525c with gain. The other thing with this Marshall that I have learned is that if it is in a good sized room you can really get the full spectrum of what it delivers. If you are sitting right in front of it in a small typical sized bedroom, say 10 x 10 or 10 x 12...you are not hearing this properly. Still sounds good in a small room, but when I moved to an open part of the house or a big room it is special.
     
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    Best part of these threads is that none of us has the same ears, expectations or needs.

    For anyone that swears by a model, you're just as likely to swear at it.
     
  12. Alchemist XP

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    Anyone out there familiar with both Mesa and Marshall, what flavor of Marshall is the H1 channel on the TA-30? How about the TC-50?
     
  13. DMVGuitar

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    Fair points. And very true that it is superior to the bassbreaker 15.
     
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    I am familiar. Mesa has its own British flavor. You have to play it to appreciate the difference. The minute I or anyone says this mesa sounds like this marshall, a captain wet and soiled underpants storm will follow. The TA is more vintage and the TC is modern in flavor. Awesome threads exist about both amps.
     
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    TA-30 is probably my all time favorite amp ... LOVE the H1 mode ... but every mode on that amp has something special ... Can't really think of any other amp quite like it. It was a comment I saw on another thread about the H1 mode getting in there close to vintage Marshall territory that originally got my Marshall interest started.
     
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    Thats unfortunate. Friedman has been making the amps Marshall should have been making for years now. That means you aren't concerned with a quality amp, you just want the Marshall logo but hey, its your money...

    Id recommend JCM 800 and anything before for the sound you want.
     
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  17. Alchemist XP

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    It has more to do with my experience in terms of getting a Fender for a Fender sound ... a Vox for a Vox sound ... A Boogie for a Boogie sound and so I'm thinking ... well ... WTF, get a Marshall for a Marshall sound which is why I asked some advice thinking that in the last 50 years and dozens of models, Marshall must have made a few good ones. Maybe I'm wrong.
     
  18. Springfieldscooter

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    Get a inexpensive Marshall Code and youll get 50 years of Marshall Tones in one box.
    Pick out your favorite preamp sound, and then go out and buy the real deal if you desire.
    Its nice to have the ability to scroll through different preamps quickly, and let YOUR ears decide exactly which Marshall sounds best to YOUR ears.
     
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  19. DMVGuitar

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    truthfully, friedman does marshall better than marshall.
     
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    The satriani jvm is awesome. The astoria kicks ass. Both are pricey as can be.
     
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