Discussion in 'Acoustic Instruments' started by PrestonBrick, Apr 20, 2008.
Anyone use Matons? Like them?
the aural Quaalude effect is very relaxing, it puts me to sleep right quick.
They seem to be good enough for Tommy Emmanuel. That must say something (see http://youtube.com/watch?v=6lbvSBNLLoo)
I think you'll find he uses them as he supports Australian made goods.
A famous luthier friend of mine says he's always having to repair them (including for Tommy) & they are a nightmare, mainly because of the exotic native Australian woods used.
Another friend bought one last year & it sounded & played great in the shop - I was with him when he bought it - but a couple of months after leaving the carefully climate-controlled shop showroom & being subjected to gigging in the real world it needed loads of work too...
i own 3 of them 2 EBG808c's -1 standard, and one custom, and also a ECW80c and in australia for the money they are hard to beat.... i am not sure about xotic woods... its queensland maple or blackwood and spruce for the most part.... i beat the absolute crap out of these guitars and they are still going....year after year and sound better as they get older...as most decent guitars do..... ... the woods...I think i can understand if thats an issue i know quite a few friends who bought the small body MArtins (the 000??? somethings?? i forget ) and of the 4 that were bought 3 of them warped and twisted and were sent back, so i guess it can happen to any non native timbered instrument.....
I love them and here in Oz for the value they cant be beat.... good enough for Tommy, Good enough for Keith Urban, i think if you take most any acoustic into different temps and climates youre gonna have problems
as far as the luthier goes why wouldnt he be repairing them for Tommy have you seen the way he beats the crap out of them...and for every person who says he knows someone who has had trouble i think again that could be for any of the brands around...
***i just read this back and it sounds like i am getting a bit defensive... my bad !!*** not meaning too...
I guess all i can really say is use them, i subject them to a fair amount of work and a fair amount of brutality and they hold up and sound great.... to me.. i dig them... i have super short arms and the small bodies of the 808's work great for me..... i will also say though that for a while i noticed a definite drop in quality after the old man had passed away.... but my feeling is since they moved their factory to the new bigger better factory things are back on track... again only my opinion...
And The Wiggles.
No offence but I think someone like Tommy would not play a below average guitar just to support Australian goods.
I have 2. I've played the life out of them 5 times a week for the past 8 years and they're still going strong.
oh and they sound fantastic too.
I have a EBG 808 CL PERFORMER.
The BEST amplified sound bar none,
and yes, I DO have Collings and Santa Cruz guitars....
Great guitars! The play well, and sound better than most guitars when plugged in. I know some one who has used theirs fairly heavily for two years solid without any issues...
Tommy Emmanuel uses them and he is unreal HOWEVER........
His guitar tones from the Matons drives me crazy!
I hate his tone!
Thin and tinny.
If you're going by what you've seen on YouTube most of those recordings are horrible.
If you've seen him 'live' and you still think his tone is thin and tinny, you need to get your hearing checked.
I have had my ECW80 for 10 years and NEVER had a problem. I play it hard, for hours at a time several times a week and it has never, ever let me down. everywhere I play people comment on how fantastic it sounds bith acoustically and amplified. The AP5 pickup is hard to beat in my opinion. I played a mates $4000 martin that didn't feel anywhere near as nice or sound as good. I don't know anybody who has ever had an issues with a Maton, and I know LOTS of guys who play them. They are the acoustic guitar of choice in Australia. Just my $0.02 worth.
Well, they are very well distributed in Australia, which may be why they are "the acoustic guitar of choice" along with Cole Clark.
I must say that in a band context, a plugged-in Maton acoustic sits in the mix absolutely beautifully.
Fair point Grenville, but from a value for money point of view, they are better than pretty much all the alternatives Including Fender, Martin, Taylor etc. If they weren't any good, people wouldn't play 'em.
I bought an FG100 when I was 16. I'm now 50. I've been offered $2,000 for a guitar that I paid $400 for.
It has aged beautifully.
I also own a Martin JM: om28 (one of the original issues). They both get equal work in worship playing and in an acoustic duo, as well as a piano/ guitar
duo. The Martin sustains for days and has a bottom end and midrange that simply kills.
It has never needed work. I chose to add a pick-up and it is still my all time favourrite playing and gigging guitar.
I am astounded by the claims "a friends guitar needed alot of work etc."
I know at leat 5 other bands one of which is country bluegrass and they tour heavily and rely on these things in Australia's extreme weather conditions.
Also Tommy Emmanuel's live sound is simply phenomenal as those who have heard him year in and year out dowunder will attest.
Let's face it, Chet Atkins never complained on their duet album.
They are not Martins and they are not meant to be. They are their own unique beautiful and reliable thing.
I'll be buried with mine.
Can't guarantee that with the Martin.
Aussies do get alot of things right.
If you play a Maton you'll know you've got world quality at better than any name brand price.
Adam and I disagree big time over this one!
Personally I've owned two Matons including a 60's CW80. Stepping up from cheaper imports I thought that old CW80 was fantastic and it did sound respectable and play very, very well. I played that CW80 for over 10 years and recorded with it quite a bit.
However, after 15 years working in music retail & wholesale here, 8 years of which I spent running a store that specialised in high-end acoustic guitars as I heard more and more really good guitars I changed my opinion somewhat.
I know it comes down largely to personal taste but every day of my life pretty much for 8 years I sat in the store playing many Matons back to back next to Martins, Taylors, Gibsons, Larrivee, Santa Cruz, Gallagher. I played them and I heard a lot of customers of varying styles and competence play them.
I am of the opinion that Maton acoustically do not compete with most of the recognised top-end American guitars. Many customers over the years traded up from Matons to one of those other brands. I don't believe I ever had anyone trade the other way. Time has a way of providing a reality check to the preconceptions.
Maton give away a ton of guitars here so don't read too much into their prominence and they enjoy a price advantage. I also wouldn't assume that every player in a recognised band is some sort of tone expert and oblivious to marketing...or being given guitars and pandered to.
Are Matons bad guitars? No, far from it. Very respectable inbuilt pickups & much warmer than say a Takamine acoustically. I'd probably prefer them to a number of well known mid-priced guitars. I think their lower end models are good value here 225, 325. IMO the more expensive solid & fancy wood models don't really sound any better though partly because of the heavy way they tend to build them-they don't scallop braces either.
Would I buy them if they were the same price as a some of the iconic American brands? No way.
I've watched Tommy for about 20 years. I've watched him play from two feet away as a store I used to work at did a number of clinics with him. Is he one of the 4 or 5 most amazing players I've ever seen? Absolutely. Do I like his tone either acoustically or plugged in? No, not at all.
I will concede Tommy genuinely does love his Maton though-that's not the result of business.
I DO agree with you that for the most part Matons are pretty reliable though. An awful lot can happen between the place where a guitar is built and where it ends up as far as what if gets subjected to. I can't say I never had a problem with a Gibson or Martin because of this. While guitars are made out of wood it's always a possibility even with the best of brands.
Realfi, I agree with you. Once you start getting into the upper end, Matons do not compete, and I think they would probably be the first to say so. They are a mid-level guitar, and are certainly voiced differently than, say, a Martin.
They would provide great servicing to gigging musos in Australia too, which is another reason why they are so widely used.
Adam, I am glad you are enjoying your guitar. Have you had the opportunity to play many properly set up $3,000-$4,500 Gibsons or Martins?
Over a number of years of trying out as many acoustics as I could (I am mainly an electric player) I found a big variation from guitar to guitar with Matons, whereas Martin guitars always sounded like a Martin.
I liked Taylors for a while (without buying one) and then found that upper-mid thing to be a bit annoying. I ended up with a Larrivee, which I prefer over Taylor, Martin and Maton.
I still think that a Maton absolutely shines in a band context.
I am going by the YouTube recordings and quite possibly the WORST recordings I've ever heard.
I mean they are PAINFUL!
It may have something to do Matons and it may not..... I don't know.
I'd have to hear Tommy live to know for sure BUT,
I would need some convincing...........:AOK