I have spent a very long time looking into my next amp purchase and so now I am grabbing some opinions. I started by reading reviews, looking at youtube, tracking down sound clips and finally looking at threads for the past few days and here is where I am. For Heavy stuff, I am running a 2 and sometimes 3 amp setup playing metal (6 and 7 string) and want to add another head to the arsenal. I am looking for a more modern sound, and more brutality. Here are the amps I have right now (for metal and harder rock): -=- Marshall JVM (The 4 channel) -=- Marshall Vintage Modern (Modified) -=- Marshall JCM 900 -=- Marshall Mode Four -=- Mesa Dual Rectifier -=- Peavey 5150 -=- Randall Vmax -=- Carvin Valve Master In your opinion, what is the most brutal TUBE amp out there for $2500 used or new? Obviously this takes away the Deizel's ( I would get a Herbert if I could). I am also looking to stay away from other Marshalls or Boogies. Requirements: 1. One channel (could be more) 2. Brutal Metal Tone 3. High Gain 4. Prefer an effects Loop (not a deal killer) 5. I could care less about versatility 6. Great Punch 7. Plenty of Low End with good definition 8. Chords are clear if your technique doesn't suck Amps I am considering VHT Deliverance 60 Bogner Uberschall Do you like one of those or something else? Why?