Microphone recommendations for live rehearsal recording...

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  1. TNJ

    TNJ Gold Supporting Member

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    I have a Boss BR1600 workstation, and want to record the funk fusion band rehearsals and burn CD's for everyone to stay sharp on the changes.
    We are in my basement, which is carpeted and drywalled, but no Auralex or anything like that. I only want to use a couple of good omnidirectional mics placed to pick up drums/amps/P.A. vocal. I could mic the drums, but dont wanna get that involved right now.
    Anyway, what good/cheap omnidirectional mics would you recommend to get a good recording? And where would you place them?

    Setup:

    A1 A2 D
    l l /

    l l l
    PAS1 A3 PAS2

    A1=guitar amp
    A2=bass amp
    PAS= PA spkr
    A3=guitar amp
    D=Drums (pointed at an angle)


    The spkrs and amps/drums point toward the side of the "l".

    Thanks!
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    j
     
  2. LSchefman

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    I wouldn't bother with omnis. I'd set up two SM57s as a spaced or coincident pair. Certainly fine for your purpose.

    Omnis will pick up too many reflections off of your untreated surfaces.
     
  3. TNJ

    TNJ Gold Supporting Member

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    You should know, Les.
    Thanks! By a nice coincidence...that's JUST what I have!
    Well, 58's anyway...
    :cool:

    S.
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  4. dave s

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    We record live shows in a similar manner. We use two AKG condensor mics out front of the band and mounted about 12-15' high so they're out of the way of everything, stage L and R and patch them into the LR of a CD recorder.

    It's surprising how good our band sounds recording in such a simple manner.

    You're SM58s will probably net similar results.

    dave
     
  5. countandduke

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    Wow, sounds almost EXACTLY what I have done over the past number of years. The 1600 has the ability to record up to 8 channels at a time so try and use as many direct signals as possible. The question is how many instruments do you have??? I have gotten great sounding recordings using 2 condenser mics. I have one Peavey (not sure the model) and then my really nice SM81. I now use those for the overheads but they pick up the toms really well too. I use Shure's kick drum mic SM-52 I think??? and a clip on mic for the snare that way I can add reverb to the snare alone and some compression and eq to the kick and snare. I usually take bass direct and guitars if I can, keyboards and vocals can from from an out on your mixer.

    I have also gotten VERY decent recordings using 1 or condenser mics placed in the middle of the room where it sounds best to my ears ie. where you can hear all the instruments.

    PM me if you need further....

    Good luck,

    Chris
     
  6. TNJ

    TNJ Gold Supporting Member

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    Well,
    this isnt going to be used for demo purposes...it's just a rough mix of rehearsal to help the band nail the material down.
    I like the idea of 2 condensers...Peavey makes a nice condenser mic eh?
    Maybe I'll pick up a couple and put them up by the ceiling angled downward.
    This stuff really helps!
    S>
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    Pretty much exactly what we do and probably not anymore than you need to help keep the band 'tight' between shows.

    Good luck!

    dave
     
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    come on, people... this is the gear page -- SOMEBODY needs to suggest something high end -- wildly high end. botique mics!

    How about DPA 3511 kit? :AOK
     
  9. TNJ

    TNJ Gold Supporting Member

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    Well,
    As of now I have 2 SM58's on boom stands at ceiling level angled downward.
    One on each side of the rehearsal space, kitty cornered from each other. I'm toying with the idea of hanging a 3rd SM58 directly above the drum kit.
    3 channels mixed down to 2 and then burn to CD.
    Seems like it might work!
    I'll let you know, as we rehearse this coming monday.
    Thanks again everyone.
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    I think a Decca tree with 3 Klaus Heyne modded Neumann M-50s would do an admirable job....Like honey dripping from the honeycomb...:dude
     
  11. TNJ

    TNJ Gold Supporting Member

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    Sounds great, Dennis!
    Why dont you run them over tomorrow!
    :D
    S.
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  12. countandduke

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    Get a good quality condenser mic and you will be AMAZED at the quality of the recording. MUCH better high end response and it will really make everything come alive. You can start with just one and then add another replacing the 58's. A 58 would work with your snare or guitar cabinet but overall I think you'd be much happier with a condenser and they really aren't that expensive. You can also try using some of the internal settings in the BR1600. I think I remember my BR recorder having a mic simulator in there somewhere and those are cool too.....

    Good luck

    Chris
     
  13. Cary Chilton

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    try buying a soundelux or even a audiotechnica to go with a senn 906 in a MS matrix for stereo like imaging-goodluck
     
  14. 2012studios

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    one or two cheap condensers will do fine for something like that. this is just a rehearsal recording for memorization purposes. buy one or two sub-$100 MXL's and take 15-30 minutes to EXPERIMENT with placement to find the best spot.
     
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    I get great results with just one mono omni in the room. If you guys are playing well and the sound in the room is balanced, the mic will pick it up. If the drummer or guitarist is blowing out everyone, you'll hear it. You can use this "evidence" to back-up your argument for a change in practice.
     
  16. bluesdoc

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    For the same purpose, with my rock band, I use one of these http://www.reactivesounds.com/ strategically placed and run into my M Audio MicroTrack 24/96, with their 10db pad in between, and get good recordings for the band's use.

    Hi Steve :)

    jon
     
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    TNJ, with the 1600 you have 8 XLR ins, so unless you don't have enough mics, why not try to close-mic everything?
     
  18. TNJ

    TNJ Gold Supporting Member

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    Hi Jon...
    :)

    Nice thought...I will check one of these out.
    Hope all is well.
    I'm planning an L.A. trip 1/07...how's about you?

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  19. TNJ

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    Well,
    I dont have enough mic's and xlr cables for one thing.
    I guess I could buy the mics/cables, but I really dont wanna spend alot of time mixing afterward...as the drummer wants a CD right after practice to take with him. And if you've had experience with the 1600, you know the CD burn time takes the longest. So, the less # of channels, the better for my audio challenged mind and my drummer in a hurry to leave.
    :)

    S>j
     
  20. bluesdoc

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    Most likely, Steve. :) We'll talk closer to the blessed event....

    jon
     

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