MkIV: The Neglected ToneBender?

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  1. splatt

    splatt david torn / splattercell Gold Supporting Member

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    thanks, dude!
    there are loads of, errrrmm, "clips" where i'm playing all kinds of basic audio fuzzes, the dod carcosa, a caroline hawaiian pizza fuzz, AM's little peppermint fuzz or Mk1.5 etc..... not so expensive all the time, i think; but, i def play the stuff i dig, and that stuff has gotta withstand regular heavy travel, the beatings i dole-out (unfortunately, i'm verrrry clumsy) and the clarity of my amps.
     
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    lol.
    i had 2 years of latin, and i major-crushed on my teacher..... an amazing & gorgeous woman from trieste, who also taught my french class.
     
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    They’re awesome things, I have a few (Pigdog, DAM, Sunbender etc.). Neglected? Nah...
     
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    My Analogman SunBender IV is one of my favorite fuzzes hands down. Like others in this thread I was always under the impression that the III and IV were basically the same but branded/manufactured different places (or box or sola sound )

    here’s what Wiki says:
    Sola Sound Tone Bender MKIII, IV, Tone-Bender Fuzz
    The Sola Sound Tone Bender MKIII, and later Tone Bender MKIV, featured a tone control. It's a three transistor circuit with a germanium diode, that came in several different enclosures and is closely related to the Burns Baldwin Buzzaround.

    It was available under different names and brands. Most MKIII Tone Benders are branded as Vox. The Sola Sound version is scarce. The Park Fuzz Sound and Rotosound Fuzz Box were also available with this circuit.

    By 1969 the same circuit was sold in a smaller updated case as the Sola Sound Tone Bender MKIV. The larger MKIII version was sold concurrently. The Carlsbro Fuzz and Park Fuzz Sound were available in the MKIV enclosure as well. By 1971 the MKIV's graphics were updated, marketing the device as the "Tone-Bender Fuzz" from that point onwards. By the mid-70's it was also available in another different enclosure, branded as the CSL Super Fuzz. The circuit was discontinued around 1976 and reintroduced in 2012, once again with MKIV graphics.

    A short lived version of the MKIII with only two controls, containing a circuit with four silicon transistors exists. It probably predates the more common germanium version.
     
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    Sounds really good! Love the cinematic energy you always have too ;)
     
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    I don't think they are neglected, just a bit.. esoteric? Outside of the super-collectors of the D.A.M. forum crowd and the Macaris/Pigdog/Castledine/Jerms super detailed/historic curator builders, I'm guessing that for most builders there really isn't the market out there for the many variations of the later Tonebenders. Especially when you consider that there may be very little in difference in the sound to recommend one over the other. Most of these guy's go with one version they have felt they have made a great example of, and that will meet the needs of thier customers very well. Earthquaker/Park did this very well I think, so has JHS.

    There are a lot of individually distinctive Tonebenders though, as someone already pointed out. 1,1.5,2,3, Vox, Supa, Zonk, Buzzaround, so my guess is again, most builders want to concentrate on these.
     
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    Beano (set to mids) into Sunbender MkIV w/ tone & fuzz rolled back is nice.
     
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    Why have I not done this?
     
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    I love the buzzaround, so maybe that counts for MkIV love?
     
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    So, the JHS says, what, 1973 (or was it 1974?) Tonebender... so I assume it's a 4 cuz he's making a point of using a 'late' date?

    Anyhow, everybody, great info Thread for me, definitely gets my juices a bubblin!

    However, now I have no idea whether a Mk1 or Mk3/4 will be the eventual TB introduced into the PhuzzphayzZ family first.

    Thanks everyone for a meaty read!
     
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    As thick and rich as a chocolate Sara Lee cake in a mud-wrestling contest!!
     
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    i learned a lot about fuzzes from playing MkI's.
     
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    never tried that!
    will do.
     
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    NOBODY had a crush on my latin teacher, except maybe some pancake makeup salesman, hahaha.

    Actually I was making a snarky comment about one point five versus four.
     
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    re: my Latin (and French!) teacher? i just kinda got lucky, there. first time i swooned over an incredible woman.

    i think the reasoning behind folks not using Roman-numerals on the Tonebender Mk1.5..... might..... be..... that:
    it's not really a Tonebender.
    just guessin', though.
     
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    Isn't it because that up until a while ago, nobody even knew the MK.1.5 even existed? It's a retroactive designation?
     
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    i dunno, and i'm no historian, but i thought it was pretty well known (for a long while?) that there were 2 interim "TB 1.5"-fuzzes between the MkI TB & the birth of the Fuzz Face.
    ¿?
     
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    Yeah, totally. But I don't think it was known about until a collector opened up his pedal and noticed it. It wasn't documented even by the makers.. I'm thinking this was in the last 20 years sometime. I'm sure Mike knows much more than I do!.
     
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    Yet there are as many responses about 1.5 (or the analogman fanbois and their Sunbenders) as there are for 4, people didn't read the first few responses. Nothing new really. Next up: hear me complain about people that (SOMEHOW) don't know that Marshall made a pedal called the Bluesbreaker. Where's my old man emoji?
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