Modulation Pedal Order

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  1. SoundsGood

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    Hi,

    I am building a new pedalboard with a loop switcher. There's only five loops. So, I'm grouping some of the pedals. One group is modulation and I'm curious how people order their pedals. (The pedals are Analogman Chorus, Mooer Elady and a Big Joe Phaser.) Appreciate the help.

    Thanks!
     
  2. John Mark Painter

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    Unless you are planning to stack them (which I wouldn't ever do), it doesn't matter.
    That said...I don't like all of my Mods in the same place.
    Some Flangers sound better before dirt. I generally like Chorus/Doublers last. When I had Phasers (MuTron or Maestro) they were generally pre dirt.
     
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    I used to run a phaser out front of dirt and put chorus and trem right after dirt (before delay / reverb). It turns out I prefer the phaser after dirt and the trem dead last for a more pronounced effect on either/both.

    So my current preferred method is..

    - dirt
    - phase
    - chorus
    - delay / reverb
    - tremolo
     
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    I won't be stacking them or running them simultaneously.
     
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    Just don't let the idea of grouping them in a loop dictate your sound.
    Try each pedal in different places with different pickups/gtrs etc.

    For my current setup, i have mods scattered around.
     
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    And keep in mind how you will be using them with Delays. Many mods get super murky before delays
     
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    Thank you!

     
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    I like univibe and phaser before dirt pedals. I prefer tremolo after dirt pedals. Chorus/flanger I flip flop on, but mostly use after dirt. Ymmv

    My amps don’t have effect loops so in some sense I have all my pedals before dirt when the volume gets loud enough. :dude
     
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    lately, i've been going

    envelope filter > wah > univibe > dirt > octave down > chorus > delay

    the octave down is in the 'easy to swap out' spot, so it has been a flanger, an extra delay, and was a phaser until i broke my phase 90.
     
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    I have a 6 loop.

    I tend to use wave manipulation (phase/chor/flang) after dirt as I like the sound and order of the effect.
    Wah (while I'm not sure about the degree of wave manipulation vs frequency w/a sweep... don't know how to articulate this) I place before OD/Dirt because I like the sound of the cut w/high end.

    I may be right/wrong and I'll continue experimenting, but this is the current setup.

    L1: FullTone 69 -> Barber Trifecta
    L2: Octron, Wah, EQ Pedal.
    L3: BD2, Ts9.
    L4: Phase 90.
    L5: Volume Pedal.
    L6: Carbon Copy, DD6 (specifically to use volume -> delay)

    Sometimes I'd like to have the octron prior to the fuzz...
    Sometimes I'd like to see what I could do with the EQ prior to fuzz as well (this is my most modified pedal based upon the dirt pedal v amp I'm driving/shaping)

    I'm always moving them around.
     
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    So, you don't have to put them all in the same loop, do you?
    Just because they're all modulation pedals doesn't mean they all go in the same place in the chain.
    They 'can' if you want, but everyone's different.
    I usually like phasers before dirt, but they can go after.
    I usually like chorus before dirt, most like them after.
    Flangers are kinda like 'maximized' chorus pedals.
    In the end, as always, it's really up to you.
    And moving them around to find what you like is half the fun.
     
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    I'd put the phaser, then the flanger before dirt and the chorus after dirt. I have stacked flanger and chorus before - and I preferred it in that order. Some neat sounds can be had.
     
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    When selecting order I always stop and think
    For example with delay and chorus as the choices. Do I want a chorused Delay or a delayed chorus
    It helps so much
    Thanks and good luck
     
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    they why does matter in what order you put them in the same bypass loop?
     
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    This is why I am asking questions.
     
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    Well my answer is that, if (a) you only use one modulation at a time, (b) all your modulations will go in one place, and (c) you have already decided where that place will be, then it makes no difference what order you put them in.

    That's how I understood your OP; that you were asking how to order your modulation pedals with one another.

    Or, have you not decided on (c) and that's what you want advice on? If the latter, you didn't make that at all clear.
     
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    Your listed pedals - Analogman Chorus, Mooer Elady and a Big Joe Phaser.

    The phaser would be my choice for having more freedom in terms of before/after dirt. I like the sounds I get in both scenarios and I've always used it in front of the pre section of my amp, so I tend to have it after my dirt on the board and of course in sequence before the amp.

    Your Mooer delay - I sometimes like to use delay in front of the amp for a brittle sounding repeat. If in combination with the phaser (which has it's sweep to help this) it sounds great in front of the amp or before the amp. I have tried - just circus time stuff to experiment - putting delay before a dirt pedal, but never has it been functional for me.

    The chorus - sorry if this is crude, but I put this mod effect in the same functional category as delay. It can sound cool in front of the amp. I rarely put dirt behind it and sometimes would throw it after the pre-section of an amp in the loop.
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    It's tough not knowing your other pedals because you may have a dirt pedal that has a nice low end focus, a squishy almost fuzz sound or like a midboost (ts9). With time modulation before and after - it is fun to mix and match before your amp. I suppose this is the fun of it all, eh?
     
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    The mooer is a flanger.


    I'm at work. But, I will post my ideas for the loops afterwards.
     
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