Mooer GE200

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  1. Henky

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    So what is it you want to know?
     
  2. Justin Hitchborn

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    The usual stuff. More demos with a broad variety of tones, in depth reviews, special use cases, initial impressions, etc etc.
     
  3. valdiorn

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    The initial reviews have all come and gone, look earlier in the thread.
    You can try the fascist Facebook group if you want to get re-posts of reviews and soundclips, but be sure not to say anything or offend anyone in the slightest or you'll find yourself locked out like I did :)

    Anyway, if you want demos, youtube should be your go-to place: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mooer+ge200&sp=CAI%3D
     
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    I should have clarified my "initial impressions" comment. I more meant "This is what I thought when I first tried it out".

    Just looking for ever more data points, is all.
     
  5. Ferg Deluxe

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    TL;DR -- updating the firmware was kludgy. New power amp sims add richness and make it sound better. Took less tweaking to get a workable patch -- which is nice.

    Long version: (perhaps this will help some lost soul in the future).

    Now that the craziness of the holidays has passed, I finally got around to getting Mooer Studio working, after much futzing around. It simply wouldn't open on my laptop -- click "open device" and nothing would happen.

    I contacted Mooer support, and they got back to me with a recommendation to copy a specific .dll file to a specific folder. Finally got that working.

    Also, got the firmware updated to 1.2. This required me to download the latest version of Mooer Studio from the website and install it. This process, however, does not remove the older installation (something I always find bulky when a software update leaves multiple versions laying around the joint).

    I quickly realized though that I had to use the old version to do the firmware update, since the new version simply gave me a stubborn message telling me the firmware on the unit was too old, and to please update. I figured the new version of Mooer Studio would be able to update to the latest FW rev. Nope.

    I also assumed the Mooer Studio applicstion was smart enough to go out and check for the latest firmware version. It's not. It deploys the version of the firmware that was packaged with Mooer Studio when you downloaded it.

    So, where to get the 1.2 FW version? You can't, from what I can tell, just download that file from anywhere. Which is dumm. So I thought, "Maybe 1.2 is packaged with the updated Mooer Studio?"

    Sure enough, that's where it was. So to recap, the latest version of the firmware was packaged with the latest version of Mooer Studio. Which makes sense. But you can't use the new Mooer Studio to update the firmware! At least, that's what I experienced. I had to copy the new firmware file from new Mooer Studio, and place it in the old Mooer Studio folder. Gah.

    Then I discovered that all my user patches were wiped clean! Double-gah!! It's not a huge problem (and to be fair, the instructions do say to back up your patches), as I had most of them documented, and I'll probably choose to recreate from scratch to get a feel for how the unit has changed.

    Overall, the update process was kludgy, and for people who aren't tech savvy, could be rather confusing. I now have two versions of Mooer Studio installed, one with a cute Santa Hat.

    On the plus side for me, I think the new firmware is an improvement. The tube power amp sims are subtle, but add needed richness to the proceedings. I like it.

    I was able to dial up a decent Plexi tone with hardly any tweaking, and that was not my experience with the older FW. I used the default cab settings and it sounded fine, whereas before I was definitely trying to move the mic around, and trying different cabs.

    I'll do a quick video before the end of the weekend to demo.
     
  6. Sascha Franck

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    Dude, that update process sounds precisely like what the doctor ordered..
     
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    It was a pain. For me.

    I think it will be fixed, since the fixes are fairly straight forward. My recommendations to Mooer would be:

    1. Update the documentation to fill in the gaps.
    2. Update Mooer Studio install process to either a) remove the old version, or b) give the user the choice to either upgrade and remove, or install the new version in parallel.
    3. Update Mooer Studio so that the latest version of Mooer Studio is able to deploy the latest firmware (shouldn't have to rely on the old version of the software to deploy the new firmware).
    4. Make Mooer Studio smart enough to go out and check for the latest version of GE200 firmware. OR just make it obvious where to get the firmware file to be deployed.
     
  8. Sascha Franck

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    That is really as awkward as it gets. They should simply offer a dedicated firmware installer which doesn't even require the editor.
     
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    Don't get that part, i had no trouble at all.
    The Studio software just needs a specific firmware version to function properly that's why it checks whether the firmware version is high enough.
    If it's not the right firmware version, the Studio software will detect that and it will tell you, you need to update the firmware first.
    If you than set the GE200 in "update mode" the Studio software will update the firmware for you. no need for an older version.
    Just power up the GE200 while holding the left footswitch to get in the update mode and the studio software will know it can update.
     
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    Yes, but the new version of Mooer Studio was not able to flash the latest FW on the unit. It wouldn't do anything when I opened it, other than to put up a notice that the unit needed to have its firmware updated. There were no other options in the dialog box. The unit was in update mode already, as I was attempting to flash the FW.

    I've flashed the unit several times, so I understand the process. For me, on my machine, the latest version of Mooer Studio wouldn't do anything -- it wouldn't connect to either adjust patches/settings, or to flash the firmware -- until I brought the unit up to the latest 1.2 firmware, which I accomplished using the older installation.

    Just want to stress -- this was my experience, and possibly not representative of what other folks have seen.
     
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    If the software did not recognize the GE200 was in update mode it's more likely it's an USB/Windows problem, did you try it with another computer?
    Now that's interesting: how were you able to accomplish that because the firmware is "baked" into the studio software, it's not like the firmware is a seperate file or something.
    As far as i know Mooer did not provide any standalone firmware files at all or even standalone firmware update executables, only the two studio executables ("Mooer Studio.exe" and "GE200 Studio v.1.2.0.exe") which included the firmware.
    I wouldn't know how to load the 1.2 firmware other than by using the "GE200 Studio v.1.2.0.exe".
     
  12. Ferg Deluxe

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    The firmware is a separate file. It's located in the "firmware" folder where Mooer Studio is installed. I just moved it (copied it, actually) to the firmware folder of the older installation, renaming the other one ".old". I ran the older version of Mooer Studio, and it saw the GE200 sitting there in update mode. I updated, checked the FW, saw that I was up to date, and then checked to see if the new Mooer Studio would run. It did, and has been running just fine ever since.

    I don't have a second Windows machine in my studio to try (primary machine is a Mac). I did not try to reproduce the behavior by downgrading to 1.0.1 and going through the whole thing again, though the tech that lives in my head did consider doing just that until the rest of my brain pulled a fast override. It's entirely possible that this was a one-off situation, due to this Windows laptop I'm using. That's why I wanted to be clear that this is just something that happened to me, and may not be typical for everyone.
     
  13. Henky

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    Haha, i haven't thought of looking there, you are right i found the firmware file and there's more to be found there... funny to see how they build the application just using plain and simple .png images
    And while i was at it, i also checked the "GE200_Win32.exe" with VirusTotal and, lo and behold, it was totally clean haha
     
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    I also had problems with the installation of the new editor software.
    I didn't find anything in the manual after the new software didn't find the device.
    On the website I found a hint how to start an update on the device itself. After that it worked.
    However, my tweaks made so far were lost.
    I read the note that you should save everything first. But I couldn't, because my virus program deleted the old version every time I installed it. (see other thread)
    I agree that Mooer could improve the documentation and the procedure.

    All in all, however, I can say that the purchase was worthwhile for me.
    This week I used it at a rehearsal in the big band where I play and it sounded pretty good.
    There I rather need clean sounds for the rhythm and occasionally creamy sounds for solis.
    I was able to achieve both in a satisfactory way.
    My band mates didn't complain about any loss of sound quality.
     
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    I am wondering if the GE200 can be controlled from a DAW through midi. Can anybody confirm if the GE200 is visible as a midi device in a DAW?
     
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    No sorry, it isn't.
     
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    Thanks for checking.
     
  18. Sascha Franck

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    Might have hidden MIDI-over-USB functionality, though. Isn't it like that with the GT-1?
     
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    Just got my replacement in. Very cool as USB now powers the unit which on my 1st one it did not. Just upgraded the firmware to 1.02 and will play later and keep you posted. The deal I got was the unit the carry case and a complete Preset Guide for $300 shipped.
     
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    Ok so the darkness is still there out of the box but with the eq settings you can easily remove it. The tones sound really good with the latest firmware and with a couple of tweaks the unit sounds as well as my GT001. Now it is time to try IRs. I will say I am keeping it this time since this unit is now equivalent to the GT001 in tone and has IR capability. And the case is pretty nice too. Not sure why they do not show a good picture of it anywhere. The foam insert of the GE200 is meant to be used with the case which is a cool idea. c
     

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