My final Eminence question before pulling the trigger :)

That depends whose 4 12" cab it is, you're not going to get the same speaker results with different cabs.
So far I like the Man'O'Wars best in every cab I've tried them in.

 

Doug's right on this, that's for sure. If the cab is different even in a way you don't notice (or can't notice) it can still sound very different.

Anyway, assuming you're removing greenbacks and putting in Man O Wars into the same cab, there's a huge difference. If you want a greenback sound, don't get the Man O War. IMO it'd be a mistake. The Man O War is a much more modern/clear sounding speaker. It's not without its warmth but it's not much like a greenback at all. It's more like a G12T-75 with more mids and an overall smoother voicing.

 

If you want a more aggressive/tighter greenbackish sound, try the Private Jacks.

 

There may be an Eminence speaker that does what you want, but as an owner of a 4x12 with Man-O-Wars installed I can tell you those aren't the speakers you're looking for. There's nothing Greenback about them at all IMHO.

How about Tonkers? Aren't they supposed to be "Fane-like"? (Not speaking from experience here, I just remember someone making the comparison at some point.)

 

Don't even bother. Take the Man O War, make it sound even clearer with more top end. That's like the Tonker. They do have a Fane-like breakup character (at least to me) but they're not like some lower power rated speakers at all. If anything they're more hifi than the Man O War.

 

You could try a VHT P50E.

I used the Tonkers for awhile with mine. Its a cool speaker, but not much bass. They are super tight and won't break up / fart out at all. Very clear and detailed mids and lots of treble (not shrill though). If they had more bass they would be killer. But 4 of them in a 4-12 cab weighs like a million pounds!!

For Eminence, I have not tried them myself, but probably the PJ's or Red Ryders might be good.

I normally dont like GB's for hi gain, but with the Wizard stuff, they sound awesome!

George

 

Good call. I bought some of them last year (from Greazygeo, actually) and from what I remember they were kind of a modern take on a GB.

 

I know what you are saying. Compared to my Metal, the MC has a softer attack. My Metal is much quicker like my old Ultra Lead. Have you ever played a Metal?

The Celestion Classic Lead 80 would probably give you what you are looking.

Those VHT P50's sound really good in a rear loaded cab. Steve voiced them for front loaded cabs, but I had them in my Wizard cab (Metal V baffle) for awhile and they sounded great. But I ended up going with the GB's ( mine are really old with the 014 bass cones, so they are tighter and deeper) With my Metal they are awesome, with my MC they are abit on the bright side.

Here's a clip of my Metal thru one....

Metal / GB clip

George

 

Hey Ron,

Are you the guy that sells the midi switching gizmo's? If so, they look pretty cool!

George

 

Rob, before swapping speakers try this inexpensive trick: Rewire the cab to 4 ohms (all parallel). The ultra lows and highs will be slightly attenuated and the mids will be enhanced. Not a huge tonal difference, but the feel will be quite different. Much tighter, stiffer, and quicker.

You should get a bit more gain from the amp too. This should help you out tremendously, if your amp has a 4 ohm output. Mine didn't. Well it did, but it wasn't hooked up. So hopefully yours does.

 

Yeah, that's me.

Back on topic, the P50Es are pretty tight sounding speakers. At one point, I also had a VHT 4x12 with them installed. VERY tight bottom end on that sucker.