My First Delay - Need Guidance

MyTenToes

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I'm ready to purchase my first delay and am on a budget of <$200. I'm not really sure of what 'type' I'm after but have heard a lot about these:

-Carbon Copy
-Malekko 616
-TC Flashback
-Catalinbread Montavillian
-Wampler Faux tape echo (might spend a tinsy bit more for this)

What are some of the pros and cons of these pedals?
Which do you like the best?

Cheers.
 

lifeinsong

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Go for the TC Flashback...a bunch of different delay types, built in looper, nice and small in size, the ability to try Toneprints from a bunch of top players etc.
 
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Go for the TC Flashback...a bunch of different delay types, built in looper, nice and small in size, the ability to try Toneprints from a bunch of top players etc.
Agreed. If you're not sure what type of delay you want (i.e. digital, analog, tape, looper, etc), then the TC Flashback will offer you variety and versatility, including the downloadable Toneprints. The only con is the somewhat awkward tap-tempo feature, but YMMV with that.
 

strombie

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Flashback for the win. Covers a lot of delay sounds, doesn't take up much room, and, in my opinion, has the best tone to offer. I've been through the DL4 and the Nova Repeater and the Flashback is my fav delay.
 

Abandoned

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If you buy right now I would get a Diamond ML Jr. from PGS for $209. Use the coupon code: gear40

That delay is gonna be way better than your other options and you get tap tempo & modulation that you can turn on or off via footswitch.
Just my 2 cents.
 

ttasselm

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Have to agree with the Flashback and/or Line 6 Echo Park. Both are versatile and include many different delay types so you can see what best suits your playing, and both sound GREAT! Both also include tap tempo and modulation capabilities so you can further explore.

Buy from ProGuitarShop, Tonefactor, or Prymaxe Vintage so you get a generous return policy in case you find delay isn't your thing.
 

JRBain

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Get the Flashback.

If you don't know what kind of delay you want, you don't want anything specialised, and you (probably) don't want to spend any significant money, particularly if you intend to sell it on when you've settled on a delay type or usage.

If you wanted to have presets or tap tempo, you could opt for the TC Nova Delay or Repeater. But otherwise, the Flashback is a fine choice. It sounds very good indeed, and is priced very well.
 

mesfigas

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wampler ftw

it has 1 sound but easily beats all the rest at your list

i could also suggest you a second hand analogman delay
you prolly find it at 200

a vintage boss DM-2 would be the best option for super delay voice

don't go with the flashback cause even if its super flexible and cheaper
it will never give you a good analog voice.
also the pedal adds some brights at the top of your sound that you may not really like.

you prolly find a deep blue delay HW second hand for 200 but not easy.
dbd is digital but very nice analog type voice (prolly the best digital delay)
 

benderman

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I'd say go for the TC Flashback i've had one on my board for a while now and really like it a lot.I reall dig the 2290,tape,and lo-fi settings.The other thing I noticed to is it does'nt mess with your tone great buffer in this pedal.
 

MyTenToes

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Agreed. If you're not sure what type of delay you want (i.e. digital, analog, tape, looper, etc), then the TC Flashback will offer you variety and versatility, including the downloadable Toneprints. The only con is the somewhat awkward tap-tempo feature, but YMMV with that.
Sounds good! can you please explain exactly what the 'Toneprints' are? Are they downloadable settings to get delay sounds from certain famous songs/artists?
 

dmarkj22

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I picked up my Boss DD20 on Craig's List for only $150. It's a great delay that is easy to use and has a tone of options.
 

MyTenToes

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wampler ftw

it has 1 sound but easily beats all the rest at your list

i could also suggest you a second hand analogman delay
you prolly find it at 200

a vintage boss DM-2 would be the best option for super delay voice

don't go with the flashback cause even if its super flexible and cheaper
it will never give you a good analog voice.
also the pedal adds some brights at the top of your sound that you may not really like.

you prolly find a deep blue delay HW second hand for 200 but not easy.
dbd is digital but very nice analog type voice (prolly the best digital delay)
Yeah it sounds really nice on the demos I've heard but I'm not too sure what I actually want from a delay, the reason I feel that getting something super-versatile may be the go. Who knows though, I may still go with the Wampler.
 

cubistguitar

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Sounds good! can you please explain exactly what the 'Toneprints' are? Are they downloadable settings to get delay sounds from certain famous songs/artists?
Yeah that about explains it, tones that TC usually associates with artists, but often they have a preset group of downloadable settings that they out together without artist input. Good stuff, sort of like a few more tones to play with, if you have an iphone it is stupid easy to change them out and try new ones.
 

JRBain

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don't go with the flashback cause even if its super flexible and cheaper
it will never give you a good analog voice.
also the pedal adds some brights at the top of your sound that you may not really like.
But what if he doesn't need a good analog voice? The analog voice on the Flashback is more than good enough for the buyer of a first delay pedal without definite preferences.

you prolly find a deep blue delay HW second hand for 200 but not easy.
dbd is digital but very nice analog type voice (prolly the best digital delay)
A great choice if you're set on that kind of delay. Expensive, though. A pretty illogical one otherwise, particularly for someone that's buying their first delay and isn't sure what they are after.

(prolly the best digital delay)
I'll stick to my big chip DD-3, thanks. ;)
 

JRBain

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Yeah that about explains it, tones that TC usually associates with artists, but often they have a preset group of downloadable settings that they out together without artist input. Good stuff, sort of like a few more tones to play with, if you have an iphone it is stupid easy to change them out and try new ones.
This.

My favourite from all the ones I've heard is still the PGS Echoplex one. Sounds really great, and frankly ridiculously good with respect to the price of the Flashback, and the fact that it isn't even a dedicated tape echo modeller.
 

MyTenToes

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After listening to the Memory Lane Jr Demos I am very close just to grabbing that! $40 off at PGS. Any feedback on that? has pretty good reviews!
 

ttasselm

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After listening to the Memory Lane Jr Demos I am very close just to grabbing that! $40 off at PGS. Any feedback on that? has pretty good reviews!
It's a really nice delay, well-built and superb sound quality, but also a little one-dimensional. Don't expect to achieve perfectly clean digital repeats or dark analog repeats...it's somewhere in between. It does that sound really, really well. Beyond that? You'll have to look elsewhere.

The things that made me sell it? 1) Its tapping system. You can't tap in a new tempo without the repeats cutting out, which makes it a little awkward if you're playing a rhythmic line and your drummer starts shifting tempo a little bit. Not an issue for everyone, but it's something to consider. 2) I also like being able to send repeats into oscillation, which is something the ML Jr can't do. With the feedback knob cranked, it will get infinite repeats but never oscillate.

Don't get me wrong, it sounded great. But for someone wanting to dive into the world of delay, I'd think you'd want something a little more versatile.
 

Abandoned

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After listening to the Memory Lane Jr Demos I am very close just to grabbing that! $40 off at PGS. Any feedback on that? has pretty good reviews!
Grab that pedal now. It's amazing, absolutely gorgeous... Beautiful modulation.
You'll never get a better price for a new ML JR and that sale ends today.
If you end up not liking it (doubt it) you have 2 months to return it.
Do a search - so many great reviews and things to say about that pedal.
 

MyTenToes

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Grab that pedal now. It's amazing, absolutely gorgeous... Beautiful modulation.
You'll never get a better price for a new ML JR and that sale ends today.
If you end up not liking it (doubt it) you have 2 months to return it.
Do a search - so many great reviews and things to say about that pedal.
Yip did a quick search and the ravings are very consistant!
Purchased. :)
 

Abandoned

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It's a really nice delay, well-built and superb sound quality, but also a little one-dimensional. Don't expect to achieve perfectly clean digital repeats or dark analog repeats...it's somewhere in between. It does that sound really, really well. Beyond that? You'll have to look elsewhere.

The things that made me sell it? 1) Its tapping system. You can't tap in a new tempo without the repeats cutting out, which makes it a little awkward if you're playing a rhythmic line and your drummer starts shifting tempo a little bit. Not an issue for everyone, but it's something to consider. 2) I also like being able to send repeats into oscillation, which is something the ML Jr can't do. With the feedback knob cranked, it will get infinite repeats but never oscillate.

Don't get me wrong, it sounded great. But for someone wanting to dive into the world of delay, I'd think you'd want something a little more versatile.
Everything he said is pretty true except I don't thnk it's one dimensional.
Strymon's tap function is the same - its not a pain for me.
I like that it doesn't self oscillate. That's just me though, I have an el cap for that.
 




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