Let me start by saying everyone has their own taste in tone and I respect it. I've tried most el84 amps you can think of looking for a vintage Marshall type tone. Never found it. I'm not going to mention builders. The only kudos I have to give are for the Cornell 45/50 which was a kt66/el34 amp. That had the tone. I hate el 84's in anything from Blues Juniors to 18 watt clones. They sound like chalk on a blackboard to me. Overly bright in the upper mids and no real cream. So, besides the Germino Masonette, who makes a Marshall combo with different tubes. I was going to try the Blockhead firstborn, but it also uses el 84's and I've never found an amp I liked with them so I passed. Am I the only one who has a problem with these tubes? I've heard nice recorded clips done with el84's, but I've never heard one live that I liked.