My first negative thread/el84's

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by alainguitars, Dec 11, 2005.

  1. Sherman

    Sherman Silver Supporting Member

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    Jon,

    You're right, man does not live on any given tube alone. Like you, I have amps with each of these tubes; EL84, EL34, 6L6, 7581, and 5881. I'd love to own a 6V6 based amp but I cannot afford a Divided by 13 right now;).

    Alain, to each his/her own when it comes to tone.

    YMMV

    Sherm
     
  2. alainguitars

    alainguitars Silver Supporting Member

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    I prefaced my comments by stating everyone has their own hear for good tone. What I'm looking has nothing to do with chime or glassiness or shimmering qualities. I understand a lot of people enjoy those tones and want them. I'm looking for more of fluty,saxophone like quality. I'm not looking for a Beatles or Brian May tone. Although the Vox ac 30's are probably the only el84'amps I've heard that I like. I don't hear any chime in the Leslie West (mountain), Mick Taylor (Blues From Laurel Canyon) or early clapton bluesbreaker tones.
     
  3. michael.e

    michael.e Supporting Member

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    I have heard this model amp. Without a doubt, the BEST Marshall tone that I have ever heard. Just DEAD NUTS! Everything that I ever thought of in Vintage Marshall is in that amp. That amp absolutely SANG with absolute authority.
    M.E.
     
  4. stratovarius

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    Marshall 2061's might be closer to what you want. The PA 20 version (I forget the model) might suit you as it has a voiced darker. Changing the voicing is a pretty simple modification.

    Mullards can smooth things out in some amps.
     
  5. Laroosco!

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    Blanket statements are great aren't they?
     
  6. wordsonyou

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    Blanket statements are always great, all of the time :horse ;)
     
  7. Swarty

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    I have a '69 PA and a '69 Bass 20w head. I'm not a Matchless fan, I'm not a big AC30 fan. I'm a Marshall plexi fan... I love the sounds of Cream, early Hendrix, Bluesbreaker Clapton, Eric Johnson, Bon Scott era AC/DC, etc.. etc... All of that rich, dark, smooth sound. FWIW, I also own a '68 Super Bass, '69 Super Trem, a '71 1987 and several other later '70s and '80s amps. The Marshall 20w amps do the early plexi sound in spades!
     
  8. KenSea

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    I have had problems with the sound of most el84 amps, with this being said I have liked the following el84 amps:

    Vox AC30
    Alessandro Beagle
    Tong King Meteor 15a
    Dr.Z Carmen Ghia
     
  9. bscepter

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    I hate to sound like a broken record, but the combination of EL84s and the EF86 in my amp can definitely get a Marshall-esque crunch going. I blend it with the Top Boost channel to get grind and chime all in one. I like it a lot, personally.

    Now, does it sound exactly like my old Super Bass through a 4x12? No. As somebody earlier said, "if you want the Marshall sound, buy a Marshall amp."
     
  10. waxnsteel

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    There's only one place where i like to hear Brian May's tone, and that's with brian May's fingers, guitar and amp playing a queen song. Does it really fit anywhere else? I love it, but it's not one I think is universal.

    I like all the different tubes I've heard for their different characteristics. I think EL-84's are my favorite. Then 6L6, then EL-34, then 6V6. I'm not "cultured" enough, though. I need to hear more tube-types.
    But really, you don't have to like EL-84's. Just find the tubes, more importantly the AMPS, that work for you, and don't sweat it. It doesn't matter if there are two tin cans and a waxed string in it, if it's what you want to hear, play it.
     
  11. fiftywatt

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    Here's a 4 x EL84 amp that sounds amazing.. the 36W TMB built by Richie Hall. It sounds frighteningly close to the handwired vintage 50 and 100 watt Marshalls I've owned, but at a more sane volume range. It's still a loud amp thru a 412 cab. It's actually more versatile than my vintage Marshalls. Very bell-like clean tones, and a wonderful raw distortion when pushed with dirt pedals. Not a trace of harshness to be found.

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