My orange 212 is killing everything it comes up against. With all of my amps. Straub Cantus, marshall jubilee, bogner shiva and tophat empexador. They all sound better through it. Standard vintage 30's. Here is what has bowed down to it. Marshall Jubilee 412. G12-70 Supposed to be like vintage 30 Mesa 212 vertical vintage 30's marshall 412 g12-75's avatar vintage 212 with vintage 30 and g12-h30 For some reason I keep trying to convince myself my ears are deceiving me, but it hands down smokes all my past/current cabinets above. Anyone else have the same experience? How does an orange 412 compare?