Need help on ID my Blue Dog Weber

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  1. Telemach

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    Hi everybody,
    some local guitar slinger tossed a Weber Blue Dog into my direction. I'm going to give it a buzz w. my SF Deluxe Reverb today. I'm not a Weber whiz nor could I find exact info on the search. It says 12-A-8-30W and there's an other line below: 12790744.
    Any help that would shed some light wether it is ceramic or alnico is much appreciated. Also, what does it sound like on a Deluxe? Am I leaving Fender zone?
    My Rivera Venus 5 definitely gets into AC 30 territory which I like.
    But I would like to keep the Deluxe as classic as possible.
    Thanx for your time
     
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    I believe that A in the name would make it alnico. If you post pics of the back of the speaker or go to www.tedweber.com you can see the difference yourself.
    My experience with Blue Dogs is limited. I had two in a Peavey Classic 50. It seems like it really accentuated the high sparkliness of that amp. Maybe made it more voxy and more jangly than american... I did not break in those speakers much but It worked to my ears However, I sold it with the speakers like I do most things... accentuating the high side of Fender amps seems to go against what many here do.
    I say throw it in there and see how you like it. I like the 12V in my reissue A LOT. Its a british sounding speaker. Its a different speaker than a blue dog but its a lot of fun in my opinion to hear the changes. You may hate it or you may really enjoy what that speaker brings out! Traditional choice... no... but, who cares?
     
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    All right. Threw in the blue and fiddled along for about 45 min. or an hour on bedroom level +.
    Yes this tone paper gets me right back into Clestion Blue tone. It's very similar if not identical to the tone I use to get w. my VOX V212H Guitar Extension Speaker Cabinet, 2 X 12.
    Good bye americana, hello brit chime. Not sure if I really wanted an other amp to be just similar to an other 9i HAVE: on the other hand the DR sounds very sweet w. the Weber and seemed to open up nicely. Guess it's by far the better speaker.
    Only problem it sounds a tad too similar to my other combo. Dunno if there is such a thing like a typical DR sound. And if there was one, what speaker is the ticket and how could it possibly be described?
    Best
     
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    From what I have read the key to getting a better(eye of the beholder) deluxe reverb tone is to tighten up the bottom end and tame the sometimes shrill high end and some try to boost the mids a bit. The Jensen P12Q C12K OR C12N seem to be standard/traditional Deluxe Reverb Reissue speakers. The Weber 12F150 is thought of as a good speaker to get that classic tone. Some ppl put in JBL types. Some like me like the Vintage 30 tones. The V30 to me takes out the nasty highs, firms up the bottom, and allows killer distortion tones when cranked or with pedals. However, I don't miss it but some claim it takes some sparkle away.

    Lots of ppl have been going through what you are. There are a ton of posts on this very topic. TA Weber was kind enough to send me some flavors of his speakers to try out and once I get home tonight I plan to test them out. The three ill have a chance to try is my default 12V, a 12F150 and their new DT-12.
     
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    I put a Blue Dog alnico 30 watter in a BFDR I didn't care for it. I prefer old Jensen C12Ns in that amp.
    I should add two points the BD was not broken in and there's about a millon ways to have a BD put together. Best to just try it.
    That BD and a SigB are now in a Bandmaster cab and I like that sound. At some point I may try the BD in the DR again to see if some break in helped but dam that Bandmaster cab has alot of screws !
     
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    Telemach- I've got one like yours that was made at the beginning of 1999, I've always liked it. Yours is from late 2007. If you get a chance, what is the code stamped on the cone on yours? I'm just curious what Weber was using then on these. Thanks-
     
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    That looks like quite the information I was looking for. Hmm, I'm new to Webers and I have no idea what the street prizes are. I might exp├čeriment w. those you mentioned to be on the classic side. my Deluxe sounds extremely nice w. the Blue, but that's almost the same tone as my Rivera.
    I might try different speakers once I can stzeel them in the bay or from some local.
    I bought the Weber I was mentioning for 80 Euros last night. Thought it was a good prize and that I won't do any wrong with this one anyway.
     
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    Sure will do for ya. It's 2:hr am in central Europe, will do tomorrow.
     
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    Thanks. Incidentally, mine has an erratic stamp that looks to be "P12B" over "248".
     
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    Hey Jeff, can't see no number on the cone. No sign at all. Hmmm....
     
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    I just read this article about speakers. They recommend a Warehouse G12C as a perfect replacement. I wonder if the 75 Watts isn't a little bit too stiff anjd big for a 20 Watt Deluxe. I like thew speakers to be just right w. a sensitive cone rather than those tough ones that can handle gops of power. What do you think? Too much Watt?
     
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    "No sign at all. Hmmm.... "

    Well, thanks for looking.

    FWIW, on mine the stamp is way up near the apex of the cone, where the spider attaches. For quite a while I thought it didn't have one either.
     
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    The speaker is installed, so looks a bit difficult to take a closer look to this area. I have to prepare and leave for a gig, so will be looking tomorrow.
     
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    The speaker that Weber recommends for a Deluxe Reverb is their 12F150, which is a ceramic magnet speaker. Their remarks on this speaker:
    The favorite for Deluxe Reverb: (if you use no pedals for dirt and you want the speaker to break up a little): [12F150, 8 ohm, 25w, light dope]
    (if you use pedals for dirt or you want the speaker to stay cleaner): [12F150, 8 ohm, 50w, light dope]

    Great blackface tone with ceramic punch. Replaces Chicago Jensen C12N and Oxford ceramic 12's. 12", 40oz ceramic magnet, 25 or 50 watts, 1-1/2" voice coil, ribbed cone.
    Warm, smooth breakup, aggressive, punchy, loud.
     
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    Hallo Nachbar, I'm close to your area I guess. P?ease let me know if there is any local guy who wants to toss his 12F150 into my direction. I pay instant cash. Any dealer in town who stocks them?
     
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    Nope, no sign, ink stamp no nothing at all on the cone.
     
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    I had several speakers in my Deluxe Reverb including an older 50W 12F150 and an even older 30W Weber P12NT which, I think, is now called the 12A150O. I always like a bit more bottom end than either of those give but I sold the P12NT to a guy with a 64 or 65 Deluxe Reverb, we got it installed and I've got to say, it might be the best sounding slightly dirty Blackface tone I've ever heard.

    Again, I like more bottom end and tend to go for the JBL or EVM12L types. Really like that 12L but it's just so dang heavy.
     
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    I had a Deluxe with a VERY old Vox Alnico Silver bell (pre Celestion Blue).. It was my favorite speaker with that amp! I tried many other speakers after that one rotted (it was a '62 or '63 speaker) and the only thing I found close was an Alnico Weber Blue Dog. That was my Dad's amp and I had played that amp all my life (since age 10), took it on the road in the 90s, played in cover bands with it in the early 2000's. To me, that was the Deluxe sound I liked and no other Deluxe sounded good to me and it was probably because I was SOOOOOOO used to that Alnico speaker.

    To this day, every amp I own doesn't sound or feel right unless it has an Alnico speaker in it. This is probably why I'm drawn to the Vox sound.
     
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    I used to play a Twin Reverb w. a pair of orange basket JBL speakers in the early eighties. I have no memory at all where I got if from. The Tolex was stripped off and the foreowner had painted the bare cab in kinda Fender coral red. I used to shoulder this sucker 4 floors up and down. Man, these combos are indeed heavy.
    A friend of mine has one of these in his Deluxe. Very glassy and harsh clipping when driven. It's even louder than my Vibrolux but too shrill for my ears. Sure perfect for Don Rich.
     

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