need suggestions for PAFs for 335 & LP

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  1. Roe

    Roe Member

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    I need your suggestions for new HIGHORDER pups.
    I'm a player that grew up listening to chicago blues and AC/DC.

    Guitar 1: Dark or fat sounding ES335 - used for BB & Freddie King and
    EC (cream era) stuff

    Need pups to replace the stock gibson A2 '57 classics. Need something
    brighter and clearer - with a faster attack - for more of a mid 60's
    ES335/355 humbucker sound.

    Bridge: I'm looking for a punchy sound so that I can play both some
    AC/DC stuff and blues.
    I'm thinking: unpotted A5 (or A3) with nickel cover, 4 wire lead,
    Screw coil: 4,6k?; slug coil (the other coil): 3,5k?.

    Neck: unpotted A3 with nickel cover, 4 lead. Should be magnetic out of
    phase (in order to get the old ES355/BB King sound in pos. 2).
    Screw coil: 4,6k?; slug coil: 3,2k?.

    Would these pups sound balanced, or would the neck pu be to loud?


    Guitar 2: Bright or thin sounding Les Paul standard - used for Peter Green
    and Led Zepplin II and Beano stuff. The LP has a SD ANTIQUITY 8,7k A2 bridge PU with unmatched coils. It sounds bright, but good. I'm thinking about keeping it. (But if you recommend a new brigde pu, I could consider changing.)

    The LP need a neck PU. Perhaps a unpotted A3 (or A2 or A4) with nickel cover, 4 leads, that is magnetic out of phase (to get that peter green sound in pos. 2).
    Screw coil: 4,5k?; slug coil: 3,5k?.
    This pu should be clearer and thiner sounding and with lower output than
    the stock Gibson A2 490R.


    Suggestions are most welcome!

    thanks,

    Roe
     
  2. enharmonic

    enharmonic Old Growth Gold Supporting Member

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    Have you tried swapping the pup's between the guitars before spending the loot? :)

    I like VooDoo's and Fralin's in the absence of Tom Holmes pickups. I think that the VooDoo's would be sweet for your 335.
     
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    yes voodoos 60s would be sweet, but expencive. I'm going with highorder.
    I haven't tried swapping, but I've adjusted the polescrews alot. Raised polescrews can give a brighter sound - more like a singel coil.
    the 335 needs brighter pups than the LP, that's for sure.
     
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    Voodoo 59's are the best bang for the buck PAF's I've ever played. They're definitely classic PAF from that era. If you're looking for something a bit brighter I imagine the 60's will get you there.
     
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    I have A3's A5's and A2's with various windings.
    I personally would recommend an underwound A2 over an A3.
    The A2 sounds far richer to my ears especially clean. A3 is great for lots of OD and tends to compress less with lots of definition.

    I have tried High Order's stuff and find them to be superb.
    Here's a very cool option, you can very easily swap magnets and Jeff will send you some for a few bucks. It's amazing how the tone will change. I get a big kick when I read someones post saying that the type of magnets used are mostly hype. Try swapping on the same guitar.

    If the pickup is potted correctly, the tone shouldn't suffer. If you get a pup where both the coils, and cover are not potted be careful.

    If you want a great A5, the Dimarzio Virtual PAF kicks butt.

    Harry Jacobson
    www.harryj.net
     
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    I also recommend a slight offset for the neck pickup coils. This will give you a little stronger pick attack and slightly more definition.

    HJ
     
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    I want highorder pups - not something expencive
     
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    I want different pups it the two guitars - I already have a antiquity pup
     
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    Sorry man, I'm saying Antiquities too.

    I have a set of Antiquities in my Les Paul and a pair of Seth Lovers in my 335. The Seth Lovers totally do the Freddie King / BB King thing in the 335 in the middle position with a nice old school non-master volume amp.

    The Antiquities in the Les Paul are great for everything from cleans to late 60's / early 70's blues rock screaming (think ABB, ZZ Top, Cream, etc.)

    At least that's what I hear.
     
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    I thought that bb and freddie king use a out of phase tone
     
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    Not to my ears, tho Freddie used a P90 Lester on "Let's Hideaway and Dance Away".

    Everyone makes it sooooo difficult... I like to keep it simple. Antiquities sound "authentic" to me. I have 'em in two guitars, the other 2 electrics have original pups.

    (I still have the Classic 57s from my R8 that are looking for a good home.)

    After 38 years of experimenting, I have a lot less patience for interminable
    gear quests... as I said, I like to keep it simple.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Or since you mentioned both a 335 and a LP...[​IMG]
     
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    i'm also in the process of ordering some custom highorders for my epi 335. i think i'm going AlNiCo 2 for the bridge and AlNiCo V for the neck. let me know what you end up ordering, sounds like we're looking for the same sort of sounds.
     

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