Need vibrato bending chops building help!

Size of strings may help... I remember when working Santana's style out years ago.. He uses really light strings and I favored heavy strings... so I took what I needed....

 

I don't know if this might be one of your stumbling blocks, but for me, when I vibrato a bent note, it's not the same technique as vibratoing a plain note. Instead, I do more of a "release and bend back up" thing.

I would offer four exercises:

1. Practice by over-bending - overshoot your target pitch then come back down to it (once at a time).

2. Bend a note a half step before playing it, and then play it and bend it up another half step (pick the first note, but not the second). Relax back to the original bent half step note. Repeat until you can build up speed and get what basically is a half-step trill - but don't let the string relax - don't go down any further than the original bent up half step (so your moving between bent a half step up and bent a whole step up the whole time).

3. Do the same thing in reverse - start with a full step bend, pick it, and relax to a half step bend (not picked) and bend back up a full step - again never letting it go back to the unbent note.

Do both of the above and when you're comfortable with them, pick only the first note and move between the two full and half step bent notes. Also begin to experiment with less than half step difference between the two notes and speed up. Lastly, combine the two ideas to that your target note is either the highest pitch and bent up to as you vibrato, or your target note is in the center with bent up to and bent up from notes on either side. Doing vibrato from above the target note is less common (though it's like what you do with a tremolo/vibrato system).

4. Practice bends on thicker strings, or, on higher gauge strings than you normally use to help build up bending strength and endurance.

HTH,
Steve

 

I can tell you how I did it:

I took time and was not easy but here is the real truth to practicing it and getting good.

Put your metronome on 60 bmp,

Bend up to the note on each click then go flat a bit then back up.

Repeat till your hands fall off.

A few months of that and you will be able to do it effortlessly.

I personally listened to lots of Peter Green during this period.

 

This, and if you don't keep up on it, you'll loose it. It's not like other techniques you learn and you're good to go. YMMV.

 

I'd add two things to this:

1. Try to mimic a vocalist: bring it up to pitch, let it breathe a moment, then ramp in the vibrato. You don't have to always do it this way, but it sounds good some of the time, in contrast to a "stabby" vibrato that comes in immediately.

2. It can further help develop control to work on a triplet-feel vibrato, where you're at the top of the pitch on the first click and the *bottom* by the next click, going back and forth:

Code:

ududududud
c  c  c  c

where u,d is up, down and c is the click.

 

I hear you, just broke my picking technique again to redo it. Can't play a lick to save my life right now.

 

I would caution against over-bending. That is just practicing a physical task that has little musical application.

Practice bending TO pitch. Both half-steps (one-fret) and whole-steps (two-fret). Set the metronome at 60, play your target note for two-beats, then bend up to it and hold for two beats. Use a tuner. This will help train both ears and fingers to bend TO a pitch.

Enough of me. I'll let Carl tell you.

 

Ya, when strings roll under my fingernail I know they are too high. I like to get under them, but not that far.

 

When you look at Carl's hand closely, he is using his other three fingers to support the pinky, it's not doing all the work by itself. As far as setting up your Strat, try floating your trem as much as you can (while still keeping the guitar stable and in tune) and this will definitely add more slinkyness back to your strings. You'll have to start compensating for the fact that adjacent strings will go flat when you bend (as in when you do pedal steel type licks that incorporate two strings), but it's not the end of the world. Good luck.


Mike

 

IMO, don't bother unless it comes really naturally. If you're gonna bend, use a strong finger for it (not a pinky). And always reinforce with the other fingers.

Strings always go "under" my fingernails, on the pads of my fingers, so I'm not sure why this is a problem.

 

9s on your Strat, 10s on your SG.

 

string gauge is kinda dependent on fret height; with big-ass frets, you can go thick stevie ray-style (it might hurt, but you'll be able to grab and push OK), but with little vintage frets, you'll likely need to go "old british guitar-god" style, with thin strings.

 

Doesn't bother my finger near as much as my hand/wrist/forearm get sore/tired. I think it's one of those things (as others have mentioned) you gotta earn your keep and it's best to go slow and work your way up. Plan on spending several months trying to get a good vibrato on bends. I know it's something I seriously need to work on.

 

I bend notes all the time and have a good sustain on them, but I have been doing it for 40 years. I do use 9s, I think they actually sound better, a little more pick sound and way more ability to use vobrato (because they are more giving).

One thing - when you bend up using your ring finger, are you also using your first (mainly) and possibly also your second finger to hold the string? This gives you a lot more ability to hold on.

 

That Carl V video was great- this bending vibrato thing is something I've worked on and rarely hear progress. When I hear recordings of me, it is the thing that stands out as bad. I've learned that I'm alot better with this on fixed bridge guitars than floating bridge guitars.

Gary Moore and old Michael Schenker are the Uber kings of this for my taste.