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Neural DSP Quad Cortex

Discussion in 'Digital & Modeling Gear' started by mikah912, Jan 7, 2020.

  1. NeedmoreCrunch

    NeedmoreCrunch Member

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    Me too
     
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    this is the key the dealers
    If this IS as good as Fractal and Kemper and they get Line6/ kemper big box distribution by the end of the year
    I predict 2021 they could conceivably cut into the competition pretty deeply

    also if they get 1000 pre orders before even showing at NAMM
    That 200,000 in capital
    If all those follow through in September and purchase
    Another 1.4 mill thats a freaking lot
     
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    Just waiting for the firmware update to fix the tuner
     
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    Don't know how Finland engineering salaries compare to Silicon Valley or how big the development team is, but 1.4 mill is not that much.
     
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    its enough to invest and move fwd and likely set up the distribution channels they want
    Start up projects like this you dont generally get rich right away
     
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    it’s a nice head start though.
     
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    Man, if you suceed in making a pro-level Voicelive out of your new creature (at least in terms of guitar and vocal presets), you'll get a lot of additional attention...
    I'd love if there was a BodyRez-like processor for acoustic guitar, and filters for the voice (including formants processors).
    Then, if your AI could perform a profilation on guitars as well (see ToneDexter, or XT-1 by SIM1)...


    I don't get this either. Just keep in mind you can pay 35% custom duties, and sometimes the percentage is calculated on the whole value, expedition costs included o_O


    Look more carefully ;)
    Random quotations: two mic inputs with pres and phantom, with patches for vocals; each I/O socket is assignable by the user; the above-mentioned audio-over-USB...


    ... but at least the ladies would hit the unit with their softest parts, not with boots' soles :p


    Damian's question aims at inquiring whether QC can "profile" an amp in which both pre and power section are working outside their linear window, since this is something that creates issues in Kemperland.
     
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    Outside their linear window? What is the linear window in tube circuits overdriving? Less than what 0.05% THD? I mean unless I'm completely misunderstanding where the problem is.
    But what I expect from any device trying to mimick another device is for starters have the right amount over overtones...which is a whole nother discussion.
    But the theoretical part they all do. And it has little to do with distortion and everything with as I said non linearity.
     
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    He's right - $1.4M isn't a lot. I would expect engineering and manufacturing tooling for a platform-level development project like this to run in the $20-30M range, assuming no ASICs or other high-capital requirements. That's before marketing, inventory, samples, filling the manufacturing pipeline, training the assemblers, etc.

    The trouble with all of these is that the per-unit cost is a rounding error compared to the development cost and tooling capitalization. These aren't high-volume products like cellphones or automotive components, so you have to figure out how to price it to get enough volume to repay the upfront investment. Too high a price and you don't sell enough; too low and your margin is insufficient, even if you saturate your market niche.

    Tough business....
     
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    As a matter of fact, Kemper warns that the profilation of two or more distorting block in a chain might not return an accurate result (often it doesn't). This includes using a distortion pedal in series to a distorting amp.


    OTOH, if raising 200k €/$ is a goal of theirs, it means that 200k is not a negligible amount in their economy, no?
     
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    It’s really not a lot. Figure in salaries, rent, manufacturing, etc. That $1.4M is long gone before the first unit ships.
     
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    How much money you think small MI companies generate?!
     
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    Have any of you guys heard about investors? Willing to bet a lot of the up front cash was funded by a group of investors.
    Unless you think all of the engineering and marketing to this point has been for free.
     
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    Wow 40 pages of discussion in 27 minutes. Certainly generating some interest, and the competition for the other players like Fractal, Line 6, Headrush, etc can only be good for guitarists.
     
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    yep , you get it
    There are investors and silent partner likely that want to see proof that people would be willing to buy a hardwAre unit

    The 1000 pre orders and 200000k being raised is a pretty good argument especially in a matter of days

    Money excites money
     
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    Great point. Money talks much more than people just signing up for a wait list. Even if there aren’t any investors per se, it’s a lot easier to get a line of credit to manufacture goods where people have already plunked down 1/8 of the total price.
     
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    It's an ambitious piece of hardware. If this is the future of guitar modellers, I'm excited.

    The company has to raise money to develop the product. Every business venture is a chance and all the hype in the world doesn't mean a product will be successful. The launch has been successful, the People that would be interested in this kind of product have either pre-ordered or put it on the radar. I've spoken to guys who were on the fence with buying a helix kempz or fractal consider paying attention to how this product rolls out. They wanna hear before they buy , YouTube demos etc.

    The end factor is more players are going to buy these kind of units. Once the market grows, that's better for everybody. End of 2020 seems like enough time for me to save and consider one for 2021. No rush now, but I really wanna see if this could be an all in one solution for my band.
     
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    have they posted an amp and effects list yet? I'm interested, but curious if they'll have the types of tones I'm after in the unit
     
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    Does it have a built in tuner?
     
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    Not only have they not, but Doug Castro said they were still trying to acquire some of the amps they wanted to put in the unit. Lotta stuff to do between now and September. I'm personally feeling this will be more of a 2021 piece of gear, but we'll see....
     

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